I've said it before on these boards - the 5k is Teare's event and someone needs to get that through his head. Besides being injured at world's, I think his 1500 title last year was Teare's biggest setback as it gave him a false sense of confidence in his 1500 abilities. With his speed, I don't see why he can't take out Kincaid, Klecker, Fisher, Chelimo, Nur or anyone else.
I've been saying this all over the board; Teare is obviously a 5000 guy. It's not even a close call. 1500 is the absolute bottom of his range and he has no chance of success in the event (in this country). Probably best suited for the 3000 but the event does not exist in Championship meets. Can probably run a real fast 2mile and should take a shot at the AR before Guse wipes that out.
At 5000, Teare is a serious threat to guys like Kincaid, Fisher and Klecker. Only Woody will be able to handle Teare's final 400, and even WK will have his hands full.
Seen through objective, unbiased glasses: Teare is sub elite on the international level.
He ran 3:50 in the indoor mile more than 2 years ago and have hardly improved on that time. The top runners run 4-5 seconds faster.
It isn´t different in the 3000m and the 5000m:
In the 3000m he ran just under 7:35 indoors this year. The " big 5" (2 Ugandans, 2 Ethiopians and a Norwegian) run 10 -15 seconds faster.
Even if Teare should dip under 13 in the 5000m he would still be around 20 seconds away from the big 5.
What is "a really good 2 mile" in your opinion?
Grijalva came within a hair of a medal last year, and Cooper beat the piss out of him in college. Teare can hang and anything can happen in a championship race.
Seen through objective, unbiased glasses: Teare is sub elite on the international level.
He ran 3:50 in the indoor mile more than 2 years ago and have hardly improved on that time. The top runners run 4-5 seconds faster.
It isn´t different in the 3000m and the 5000m:
In the 3000m he ran just under 7:35 indoors this year. The " big 5" (2 Ugandans, 2 Ethiopians and a Norwegian) run 10 -15 seconds faster.
Even if Teare should dip under 13 in the 5000m he would still be around 20 seconds away from the big 5.
What is "a really good 2 mile" in your opinion?
Grijalva came within a hair of a medal last year, and Cooper beat the piss out of him in college. Teare can hang and anything can happen in a championship race.
He didn’t beat the piss out of him, he beat him by one second when Grijalva was a 13:13 guy and Cooper was a 3:50 miler. Now Grijalva is a 12:52 guy and Cooper is still a 3:50 miler. Grijalva will place higher at worlds this year
Grijalva came within a hair of a medal last year, and Cooper beat the piss out of him in college. Teare can hang and anything can happen in a championship race.
He didn’t beat the piss out of him, he beat him by one second when Grijalva was a 13:13 guy and Cooper was a 3:50 miler. Now Grijalva is a 12:52 guy and Cooper is still a 3:50 miler. Grijalva will place higher at worlds this year
Teare sat until the last 100 where he almost-instantly put a 10m gap on Grijalva, leaving him with no response. At that level, that's getting the piss beaten out of you. Since then, the only 2 5k's Teare has run have been soft domestic tuneups. I definitely think Teare has a 12:50 in him, and I like his medal chances if it's a slower race.
Seen through objective, unbiased glasses: Teare is sub elite on the international level.
He ran 3:50 in the indoor mile more than 2 years ago and have hardly improved on that time. The top runners run 4-5 seconds faster.
It isn´t different in the 3000m and the 5000m:
In the 3000m he ran just under 7:35 indoors this year. The " big 5" (2 Ugandans, 2 Ethiopians and a Norwegian) run 10 -15 seconds faster.
Even if Teare should dip under 13 in the 5000m he would still be around 20 seconds away from the big 5.
What is "a really good 2 mile" in your opinion?
Grijalva came within a hair of a medal last year, and Cooper beat the piss out of him in college. Teare can hang and anything can happen in a championship race.
What happened in college is history.
Relate to the present: Grijalva has run 12:53 this year: Teare almost 20 seconds slower.
He didn’t beat the piss out of him, he beat him by one second when Grijalva was a 13:13 guy and Cooper was a 3:50 miler. Now Grijalva is a 12:52 guy and Cooper is still a 3:50 miler. Grijalva will place higher at worlds this year
Teare sat until the last 100 where he almost-instantly put a 10m gap on Grijalva, leaving him with no response. At that level, that's getting the piss beaten out of you. Since then, the only 2 5k's Teare has run have been soft domestic tuneups. I definitely think Teare has a 12:50 in him, and I like his medal chances if it's a slower race.
This is true patriostism!
I wish Teare the best but I think it will be hard for him to qualify to Budapest in the 5000m.
I doubt he can challenge Woody and Klecker.
The same with Fisher if he finds his A game.
Even Nur seems to be superior.
Only Paul Chelimo seems to be beatable in his current shape.
AND ALL THE AMERICANS ARE INFERIOR "TO THE BIG 5" (as defined in m post above) IF THESE ARE AT THEIR BEST IN BUDAPEST.
The 1500 field's arguably tougher. Those guys didn't have to move up to 5000m to find a home. Nuguse is our only world medal contender right now on the men's side between 1500, 5000, and 10000m. Hocker ran 3:31 at 20 and is healthy again. Kessler beat the high school and college records at the same time at 18 and now has more experience, 3:32, and a 1:45 under his belt. Teare, a 5000m contender, couldn't even make the 1500m final. In a slow 5000m, which we often get at US Nationals, who is to say that Hunter doesn't stand a better shot at a decent place with that kind of kick? Just to be clear, I don't think he can make either team. But with another year of this kind of health, I'd see him as more of a 5th-7th place type guy in the 5000m.
He is better at the 1500 relative to US competition vs the 5,000. Like 2 seconds max in PB fromTeare/Kessler, and more like 15 in the 5k. I’d bear in mind he decided and made his comments after BUs 5k before Hocker re-emerged and Kessler took a big step forward. He at the time probably thought sure Nuguse might be a different level (based on his 3k), but who else was unbeatable. Whereas Grant (12:46), Joe (12:55), Woody (12:51) feel impossible to catch. Of course now the 1500 top end has vastly improved. I do agree in the 5k, he might finish higher but even less likely to go top 3.
I could be wrong, but I honestly think if you put him in a fast TT, he wouldn't be far from Klecker, Kincaid, or Fisher. It's a little mind boggling he hasn't tried yet, since he's barely moved the needle in his mile/15 times in 2 years.
Woody & klecker will both make the 5k team no doubt, if I was a betting man I’d say fisher takes the 3rd spot. Chelimo 4th, & nur & teare will be right there but not be able to kick when the big guns straight hammering it. Woody, klecker, & fisher are just in a different class than these domestic guys. I think running consistently in the diamond league builds a kind of confidence as well. No disrespect to teare & nur, they hopefully will be world class runners but just not 100% there yet. Chelimo is too hit or miss & kinda screwed himself doing the 10k.
I don’t think it’s completely fair to say “Jerry was right all along” since Teare’s current fitness, strengths and inadequacies are largely a result of Jerry-designed training. So if Teare had been training differently the last several months perhaps he’d be looking more like a 1500 ace.
His biggest fault in his 1500 heat was just not taking the threat seriously enough. He spotted Wynne and Hunter a few yards early and then even down the stretch he didn’t appear to be fighting as hard as Hunter. He only finished .15 behind Hocker, so it’s not like he’s in definitively disappointing fitness or anything.
I think there’s a universe in which Teare outkicks Fisher for 3rd in the 5k, and in any event I tend toward thinking he’s another sub-13 runner who just hasn’t been in the right race yet. If he doesn’t finish top 3 tomorrow (most likely) I think he’ll have some form of redemption by dropping a big time later this summer—I don’t think he’s Eric Jenkins v.2.