Not a flash in the pan. 3X NCAA champion. Came back some years later to make Oly team. Placed 3rd. Top 6 at London 2020 and NYC 2021. Even though the marathons were in a relatively short time (21 months), they stand on their own. Add the NCAA titles from half a decade earlier--those are not flash in the pan credentials.
One correction: Seidel was a FOUR-time NCAA champion.
Also was the 2011 Footlocker CC National champion. She is one of only five Footlocker champs to also win an NCAA title.
I’ve never understood the incels on this forum. Seidel is a little annoying, yes, but why the incessant 💩posting? Flash in the pan? Perhaps. Gutty performance? Without a doubt. Let’s see what happens in the build up to the next Olympics. Maybe her coach doesn’t really know what he’s doing? Let her be.
Not a flash in the pan. 3X NCAA champion. Came back some years later to make Oly team. Placed 3rd. Top 6 at London 2020 and NYC 2021. Even though the marathons were in a relatively short time (21 months), they stand on their own. Add the NCAA titles from half a decade earlier--those are not flash in the pan credentials.
1) Re: your 5k comment, How do you feel about the Men's 8k? Was 10k too much to ask for them? Who cares? She's a distance runner. It's a distance race. Why does a woman you don't know racing in a city you've never heard of ruin your day?
2) Re: racing lower distances. Bet you think Kiera D'Amato is an idiot too. Races almost every single USATF road distance and seems to win a bunch of them, yet is undoubtedly one of the strongest U.S. marathoners. Maybe winning a bunch of prize money and practicing racing on shorter distances gives her a helpful edge when she races the full. Or maybe you think Molly should just go run a marathon every day for the rest of her life until she wins gold so she's not a "loser."
3) Re your odd hatred of Jon Green... Dude was a big part in a U.S. Bronze. Sure, Molly has gone through some rough patches, but he saw her talent from NCAA's, helped Molly believe in herself again, and played a part in getting her to an Olympic medal. That alone is one of the best coaching accomplishments in U.S. distance running ever. Maybe they've earned some rough patches. Or maybe she should fire Jon and hire you so you can say things like "toughen up" and "run faster."
Last thought: Maybe, just maybe, trying the 6k will be a fun distance for her that (a) gets her back into a racing environment, (b) earns her some cash, (c) fulfills some contract requirements, (d) promotes a cause she's passionate about, and (e) gives her some confidence en route to the Marathon Trials. But yea you're right, those are stupid reasons.
1) The men's 8k? Who's bright idea was it to water down American running even more with yet another distance nobody even heard of it cares about? God knows there are way too many distances in athletics as it is. Both the men's 8k and this new women's only 6k need to be axed.
2) D'Amato is hardly someone you should use to support your side seeing as how she is suspiciously one of the oldest American marathoners and yet in recent years made an enormous "jump".
And why not Molly run a marathon every day? She and Jon Green were parading around how very high mileage at slow pace was what made her a super marather in just a few months.
3) As far as I see, Coach Jon Green is suspect as Salazar at NOP. Both performing miracle transformations on runners that have no "clean" explanation.
4) Molly was never been a feminist until she started slowing down and could no longer perform.
Hard to root for someone who applied for a TUE and was denied. Was this a retroactive application? Was she on otherwise banned substances before the TUE was denied? Why isn't anyone asking these questions?
I think honestly she just needs more time to get totally right mentally and physically and putting a solid marathon performance up on the board after scrapping Nagoya 2023 will be a major win for her confidence heading into the Trials where it'll be a totally different experience for her obviously (all eyes on her there versus 2020 where no one had any expectations or really thoughts about her at all pre-race). She herself explained that the publicity surrounding Boston 2022 was "hell on Earth" for her so she's got to be able to handle all that comes with racing well on the national stage regardless of all the sponsor obligations/ fans/ press/ hype etc... I would imagine having a good fall race would ease at least some of that self doubt going into the firestorm.
agree that Jon Green is probably not very good and that Molly's performances would have occurred regardless of his presence (telling a talented professional runner to run a lot pretty slowly at altitude is really not rocket science) and, illuminatingly, both Grayson Murphy and Emily Infeld dropped Green like a hot potato after very brief stints under him. Green is there really more as a supportive voice and friend to Molly than anything else. After the past few years that is probably just what she has needed more than anything but is he the person who can make her the best athlete she can possibly be? probably not. but, then again, Olympic Bronze is absolutely stellar so maybe that's ok.
1) Re: your 5k comment, How do you feel about the Men's 8k? Was 10k too much to ask for them? Who cares? She's a distance runner. It's a distance race. Why does a woman you don't know racing in a city you've never heard of ruin your day?
2) Re: racing lower distances. Bet you think Kiera D'Amato is an idiot too. Races almost every single USATF road distance and seems to win a bunch of them, yet is undoubtedly one of the strongest U.S. marathoners. Maybe winning a bunch of prize money and practicing racing on shorter distances gives her a helpful edge when she races the full. Or maybe you think Molly should just go run a marathon every day for the rest of her life until she wins gold so she's not a "loser."
3) Re your odd hatred of Jon Green... Dude was a big part in a U.S. Bronze. Sure, Molly has gone through some rough patches, but he saw her talent from NCAA's, helped Molly believe in herself again, and played a part in getting her to an Olympic medal. That alone is one of the best coaching accomplishments in U.S. distance running ever. Maybe they've earned some rough patches. Or maybe she should fire Jon and hire you so you can say things like "toughen up" and "run faster."
Last thought: Maybe, just maybe, trying the 6k will be a fun distance for her that (a) gets her back into a racing environment, (b) earns her some cash, (c) fulfills some contract requirements, (d) promotes a cause she's passionate about, and (e) gives her some confidence en route to the Marathon Trials. But yea you're right, those are stupid reasons.
1) The men's 8k? Who's bright idea was it to water down American running even more with yet another distance nobody even heard of it cares about? God knows there are way too many distances in athletics as it is. Both the men's 8k and this new women's only 6k need to be axed.
2) D'Amato is hardly someone you should use to support your side seeing as how she is suspiciously one of the oldest American marathoners and yet in recent years made an enormous "jump".
And why not Molly run a marathon every day? She and Jon Green were parading around how very high mileage at slow pace was what made her a super marather in just a few months.
3) As far as I see, Coach Jon Green is suspect as Salazar at NOP. Both performing miracle transformations on runners that have no "clean" explanation.
4) Molly was never been a feminist until she started slowing down and could no longer perform.
Dude. Your dedication to trash talking and crapping on Molly is just creepy. People like you are why these boards have a bad reputation.
You need a hobby that doesn’t involve Molly Seidel . . . Sorry if she out kicked you in New York and that’s why you’re a bitter beta, but I doubt you’d even be within a mile of her in her current form.
Womens 6KM...this is why some men run under the title "women" to be included. I wish they wouldn't use Molly for separatism but what do I know. Money is everything you need to promote bad ideas.
Hard to root for someone who applied for a TUE and was denied. Was this a retroactive application? Was she on otherwise banned substances before the TUE was denied? Why isn't anyone asking these questions?
Lol talkin about the TUE is a bannable offense round these parts.
Nevermind that there are like 11 millionty doping speculation threads on here daily.
I'm curious about her style of training--is she a volume monster like HRE, Hodgie-San (Bob Hodge) or other vintage runners or more of a lower-volume speedster?
Lopes vs. Mamede comes to mind.
She inspires me and other local runners I know!
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So what? Are you all forgetting the magical transformation of Molly Seidel from an out of work Starbucks barista with claimed numerous injuries that Coach Jon Green then "fantastically" turned into one of the fastest marathoners in America in just a few months before Olympic Trials when neither Molly or Jon had even ran a full let alone a half marathon ever between both of them?
And let's not forget that Coach Jon Green wasn't even training Molly for marathon racing but for the 10k on the track and they were simply running high mileage and Molly was simply doing the marathons, like the Olympic Trials, for training for the 10k?
None of this looks suspicious to you with the smaller and smaller distances Molly does now after USADA and WADA denied her TUEs?
You are forgetting how dominant Molly had been from her corner of the world all along.
Since middle school!
She was a multiple time small schools state champion in high school. Though she only qualified once for footlocker (and won) she had the ability to take third or fourth as a junior. She was injured. She ran 4:43/10:09 and 13:19 for 4k cross country which is very good even by today's super shoe standards.
Also, she was never a true broke barista. Her wealthy parents and mdoerately successful sister (yet not as successful as she perceives herself to be) may have encouraged her to get a job but that was for her "own good" and perhaps to "socialize in the northeast" not because she had to actually work in order to survive.
I think honestly she just needs more time to get totally right mentally and physically and putting a solid marathon performance up on the board after scrapping Nagoya 2023 will be a major win for her confidence heading into the Trials where it'll be a totally different experience for her obviously (all eyes on her there versus 2020 where no one had any expectations or really thoughts about her at all pre-race). She herself explained that the publicity surrounding Boston 2022 was "hell on Earth" for her so she's got to be able to handle all that comes with racing well on the national stage regardless of all the sponsor obligations/ fans/ press/ hype etc... I would imagine having a good fall race would ease at least some of that self doubt going into the firestorm.
agree that Jon Green is probably not very good and that Molly's performances would have occurred regardless of his presence (telling a talented professional runner to run a lot pretty slowly at altitude is really not rocket science) and, illuminatingly, both Grayson Murphy and Emily Infeld dropped Green like a hot potato after very brief stints under him. Green is there really more as a supportive voice and friend to Molly than anything else. After the past few years that is probably just what she has needed more than anything but is he the person who can make her the best athlete she can possibly be? probably not. but, then again, Olympic Bronze is absolutely stellar so maybe that's ok.
Not being sarcastic, but how/why is Jon Green not good?
So what? Are you all forgetting the magical transformation of Molly Seidel from an out of work Starbucks barista with claimed numerous injuries that Coach Jon Green then "fantastically" turned into one of the fastest marathoners in America in just a few months before Olympic Trials when neither Molly or Jon had even ran a full let alone a half marathon ever between both of them?
And let's not forget that Coach Jon Green wasn't even training Molly for marathon racing but for the 10k on the track and they were simply running high mileage and Molly was simply doing the marathons, like the Olympic Trials, for training for the 10k?
None of this looks suspicious to you with the smaller and smaller distances Molly does now after USADA and WADA denied her TUEs?
You are forgetting how dominant Molly had been from her corner of the world all along.
Since middle school!
She was a multiple time small schools state champion in high school. Though she only qualified once for footlocker (and won) she had the ability to take third or fourth as a junior. She was injured. She ran 4:43/10:09 and 13:19 for 4k cross country which is very good even by today's super shoe standards.
Also, she was never a true broke barista. Her wealthy parents and mdoerately successful sister (yet not as successful as she perceives herself to be) may have encouraged her to get a job but that was for her "own good" and perhaps to "socialize in the northeast" not because she had to actually work in order to survive.
I have seen others on Reddit mention her sister on similar terms. Izzy is still very fast though and successful, too.