Cam Myers is not from Sydney. The only time he leaves Sydney is after collecting his payments from his faux Sydney club.
Seems you can neither read nor do you know me...and no, I didn't say I was involved in Track and Field, but I guess the water must be magic in Canberra to have all the athletes hailing from there.
Many private universities subsidize the athletic department from the academic side. Federal loans also indirectly subsidize the university. Only a few private universities that can say they are close to not being federal supported, like Hillsdale.
All true. But none of this involves taxpayers funding scholarships of any kind.
How is a mandatory student activity fee not a tax on the parents of students? Tell me about all that ticket revenue Austin Peay State University (LET'S GO PEE) rakes in from football & basketball. That fat TV contract APSU has with that independent TV channel in Nashville. All those well heeled and generous donor alum.
All true. But none of this involves taxpayers funding scholarships of any kind.
How is a mandatory student activity fee not a tax on the parents of students? Tell me about all that ticket revenue Austin Peay State University (LET'S GO PEE) rakes in from football & basketball. That fat TV contract APSU has with that independent TV channel in Nashville. All those well heeled and generous donor alum.
I will take your answer off the air.
An activity fee is not a tax. Schools cannot levy taxes. Only governments can. It's really that simple. There's no other way to answer your question.
I'm not sure which state you live in, but there definitely is a club system for athletes to continue on post-school in Victoria, NSW, South Australia and Tasmania - not to mention regular road races.
You're right about no one discussing athletics, but that's true for all Aussie sports outside of AFL, rugby, cricket and maybe horse racing. The demographic that frequents pubs is probably not the same as the one that's going to attend a cross-country race or a Vic Milers meet.
The point I was making was that Australia is pretty good at introducing kids to the sport. Talented athletes, at the very least, get exposed to the sport, and if they're interested, will receive good guidance from senior athletes. The system is much weaker for athletes entering the senior ranks, however, where, unless someone is extremely passionate and/or extremely talented, they're likely to lose interest. The NCAAs seems to have filled this gap for those that are talented enough to make it though.
Thanks, I am in Sydney and involved very closely in road and trail organisations for many years. I guess I was 'just making a point' re the pub crowd, but it isn't on the mind of the people. As an example, the Sydney OG ( where everyone apparently saw cathy win ;-) ), it would have ranked amongst the least knowledgeable crowds that those athletes performed before, which you could easily pick up from when and what the cheered at.
Besides that, yes there are clubs, but in a massive city like Sydney you can literally name them on one hand, then when you get the breakout star - latest Cam Myers (btw obviously not going to make it at cricket or footy)- where are they going to go to pursue their talent? How far can they go right here, what pathway, what career? He has even had to leave Sydney to go to Canberra, where many interstate athletes come together to give a concentrated competition.
I could go on, but Athletics has and will always be a novelty sport here
It’s true. Aside from footy and cricket, Australia really cares about swimming and that is usually only during Olympic/Comm games cycles. We had the world xc here and no one cared. Ollie won the Comm Games gold and no one cared. A swimmer farts and it’s news.
Thanks, I am in Sydney and involved very closely in road and trail organisations for many years. I guess I was 'just making a point' re the pub crowd, but it isn't on the mind of the people. As an example, the Sydney OG ( where everyone apparently saw cathy win ;-) ), it would have ranked amongst the least knowledgeable crowds that those athletes performed before, which you could easily pick up from when and what the cheered at.
Besides that, yes there are clubs, but in a massive city like Sydney you can literally name them on one hand, then when you get the breakout star - latest Cam Myers (btw obviously not going to make it at cricket or footy)- where are they going to go to pursue their talent? How far can they go right here, what pathway, what career? He has even had to leave Sydney to go to Canberra, where many interstate athletes come together to give a concentrated competition.
I could go on, but Athletics has and will always be a novelty sport here
It’s true. Aside from footy and cricket, Australia really cares about swimming and that is usually only during Olympic/Comm games cycles. We had the world xc here and no one cared. Ollie won the Comm Games gold and no one cared. A swimmer farts and it’s news.
but when an Aussie runner is doing well, the ratings shoot up, as was the immense support for Bol in Tokyo OG 800m final.
But yes, Aussies dont really give much attention to track competition.
If taxpayers are subsidizing the university through the issuance of below market federal loans, and the academic side is subsidizing the athletic department (which pays... the scholarships), then the scholarships are being indirectly paid by taxpayers. Obviously not a huge percentage, but likely not immaterial for most D-1 schools.
If taxpayers are subsidizing the university through the issuance of below market federal loans, and the academic side is subsidizing the athletic department (which pays... the scholarships), then the scholarships are being indirectly paid by taxpayers. Obviously not a huge percentage, but likely not immaterial for most D-1 schools.
Academic departments do not subsidize athletic scholarships or any other kind with funding that they get from the school. They may give out scholarships for individual students but the funding for those scholarships will come from another source than the general university money. If I was wealthy and deeply interested in say, Irish history, I might donate money to my alma mater or to my kids' alma mater to be used for a scholarship for a student who shows serious interest in Irish history. The only way this set up could subsidize the athletic department would be if a recipient of the scholarship I've funded goes to a student whose outstanding in both Irish history and also a particular sport. That would be extremely rare but if that student is using my scholarship the athletic department won't need to use one of theirs on that particular student. But even in this case, no taxpayer money is being used to pay for this kid's scholarship.
I know there are people here who just hate the idea of foreign athletes getting athletic scholarships to US schools and look for reasons why that's a bad thing. People are entitled to their opinions. But if they're trying to make a case that public colleges are misusing taxpayer money they're just showing that they really don't know how athletic scholarships are fun ded.
Same reason there are so many other foreign nationals in US NCAA sports: it is free Olympic development for their athletes.
You come to America if you don't want to be world class runner. You come for the free education. To broaden your horizons. Experience a new culture. But not to become a world class athlete. The coaches in America will run every good athlete into the ground because of the scoring system.
Same reason there are so many other foreign nationals in US NCAA sports: it is free Olympic development for their athletes.
You come to America if you don't want to be world class runner. You come for the free education. To broaden your horizons. Experience a new culture. But not to become a world class athlete. The coaches in America will run every good athlete into the ground because of the scoring system.
That's a long standing criticism of collegiate running in the US but I think it's long outdated. It was valid when a college season was about winning dual meets and you wanted to pile up points. But most meets today aren't scored. My alma mater had all of five meets over the combined indoor and outdoor seasons where a team score was kept and one of those was Nationals where most of the team wasn't competing. That's the norm now. Yes, you can find stories of athletes doubling and tripling at their conference meet to score points but that's once a year and not going to run anyone into the ground.
And really, foreign athletes who compete at US schools won't become world class? John Treacy wasn't world class? How about Nick Willis, Geordie Beamish, Sam Tanner?
We're talking about private schools, correct? I'll call all tuition money that comes in as going into the academic bucket. You can argue that university endowments grow partially because of the athletic teams that create goodwill with parents and alumni. So when the academic side sends the athletic department money, it simply means that the athletic department is not self-funding. Not all athletic scholarships have a dedicated funding source (private donor contribution, for example).
I had some wonderful foreign teammates. It creates a more diverse student body and locker room. Coaches make decisions regarding scholarship money to be successful.
Same reason there are so many other foreign nationals in US NCAA sports: it is free Olympic development for their athletes.
You come to America if you don't want to be world class runner. You come for the free education. To broaden your horizons. Experience a new culture. But not to become a world class athlete. The coaches in America will run every good athlete into the ground because of the scoring system.
Roughly 2/3 of former NCAA athletes competing in the Olympics in Track and Field do so under a foreign flag. We are the world’s free Olympic training program.