I did a search of the site and found no threads that discussed Brosnan still coaching the Youngs between xc and now. Who on here is in a position to know that Brosnan sought and received permission from UCLA's compliance office to coach the Youngs again?
for NBIN Lex is listed as Newbury park so unless there is actual proof I would assume they are running for their high school. Cali doesn’t have indoor track and brosnan is a friend of the family so I think that it is just for the winter season. without proof it should be left alone. We’ll see when they start running races.
for NBIN Lex is listed as Newbury park so unless there is actual proof I would assume they are running for their high school. Cali doesn’t have indoor track and brosnan is a friend of the family so I think that it is just for the winter season. without proof it should be left alone. We’ll see when they start running races.
Newbury Park is an actual city, so it is an acceptable thing to put as your Club / City when signing up unattached. It's the same for NXN; they aren't running for Newbury Park High School (even though it's obvious they are), they are running for NP the city.
I don't know enough about the NCAA recruiting rules here to say, but this post is peak LetsRun.
"This would be a violation of the rules" then almost immediately followed by "Maybe he's not breaking any rules."
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
The is no such thing as getting permission from UCLA to coach high schoolers. If true, why would UCLA want Brosnan to help kiss going to their rival Stanford? They wouldn't!
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
The is no such thing as getting permission from UCLA to coach high schoolers.
You're clueless. As many people besides me have pointed out in this thread, college coaches CAN coach runners who are not students at their college as long as its done in a certain way and it meets certain criteria.
Anyone who claims that college coaches are NOT allowed to coach runners who aren't students at their current schools is just plain wrong.
Many of the posters on this thread don't know what they're talking about.
I did a search of the site and found no threads that discussed Brosnan still coaching the Youngs between xc and now.
Who on here is in a position to know that Brosnan sought and received permission from UCLA's compliance office to coach the Youngs again?
It was mentioned in a thread started in December by that teenage Podcaster who did a series of podcasts with Lex and Leo. He assumed (incorrectly) that Lex and Leo would be running from December to June with their high school.
And someone else in that thread said that Lex and Leo would not be training with their high school team, but instead would start to be coached by Sean Brosnan again.
This stuff just rubs me the wrong way. These coaches are so egotistical. Must have your cake and eat it too. Takes the UCLA job but has to also keep coaching the best kids on the high school team.
The (lack of) effort put into hiding the name of who he’s coaching on that post just shows that he wants everyone to know he’s still coaching the Youngs because it’s not good enough that they run well, everyone needs to know it was all because of him.
These coaches who make it all about them are the worst. I feel bad for the kids.
"Must have your cake and eat it too."
Well, I realize the expression is almost always put this way, but it should be "Must eat your cake and still have it." What's wrong with having a cake and eating it? Further, what's the point of having a cake if you are not going to eat it?
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
The is no such thing as getting permission from UCLA to coach high schoolers. If true, why would UCLA want Brosnan to help kiss going to their rival Stanford? They wouldn't!
Did he get permission from Stanford to tamper?
You can coach a High School athlete within 50mile of your university in your club. The NCAA does allow it.
for NBIN Lex is listed as Newbury park so unless there is actual proof I would assume they are running for their high school. Cali doesn’t have indoor track and brosnan is a friend of the family so I think that it is just for the winter season. without proof it should be left alone. We’ll see when they start running races.
Newbury Park is an actual city, so it is an acceptable thing to put as your Club / City when signing up unattached. It's the same for NXN; they aren't running for Newbury Park High School (even though it's obvious they are), they are running for NP the city.
no its a neighborhood of thousand oaks, NOT an "actual city"
This stuff just rubs me the wrong way. These coaches are so egotistical. Must have your cake and eat it too. Takes the UCLA job but has to also keep coaching the best kids on the high school team.
The (lack of) effort put into hiding the name of who he’s coaching on that post just shows that he wants everyone to know he’s still coaching the Youngs because it’s not good enough that they run well, everyone needs to know it was all because of him.
These coaches who make it all about them are the worst. I feel bad for the kids.
"Must have your cake and eat it too."
Well, I realize the expression is almost always put this way, but it should be "Must eat your cake and still have it." What's wrong with having a cake and eating it? Further, what's the point of having a cake if you are not going to eat it?
are they actually not running hs meets this spring?
That hasn't been decided yet I assume, they're being coached in the gap period between XC and Spring right now and they'll make the choice by the first day of official practice
I can see that you don't know how California spring track works. California high schools already started practice in late February and they are already running in meets.
All the people here crying about breaking NCAA rules don't actually know the NCAA rules. There's a set of exceptions around "local" clubs that allow NCAA coaches to be involved in club running even if those SAs are hypothetically possible prospects.
Brosnan could be in the clear here but I think it's worth pointing out in case he's not.
After posting a dozen times in the past few days insisting that Brosnan broke rules, you FINALLY admit that you don't actually know if Brosnan has broken any rules or not.
How about you stop posting and instead spend time learning what the actual rules are before you keep on claiming that someone broke them?
All the people here crying about breaking NCAA rules don't actually know the NCAA rules. There's a set of exceptions around "local" clubs that allow NCAA coaches to be involved in club running even if those SAs are hypothetically possible prospects.
Anyways who cares? A coach is helping some of their top athletes see it through to end of their high school time so they can be best prepared for whats next, thats good for everybody with a stake in the situation.
I mentioned this rule already. I believe it's local club within 30 miles of PSA. Look up how many miles Newberry Park HS is from UCLA. Hopefully the Youngs live on the southeast side of the district. I think they may be able to pay Sean Brosnan whatever the general rate would be to receive coaching (fee must be the same to all members regardless of performance).
Brosnan could be in the clear here but I think it's worth pointing out in case he's not.
I looked into this a couple years ago when I was on staff at a D1 school. Near as I can tell the "local" part of it can be gamed in any number of ways and the whole set of rules around it is extremely loose.
Regardless it's clear that this isn't an issue of rules or any potential harm to an athlete, there's a collection of keyboard weirdos that are just looking to justify hate for Brosnan.
Generational talents have dedicated an exceptional amount of trust and energy towards a coach, coach takes an awesome job opportunity but still fulfills the remainder of his side of the coaching relationship to said generational talents. Santos get's better prepared athletes when they show up to Stanford, everybody wins.
I'm not a creep who obsesses over what high schoolers are doing so I don't know/care if they are still running for NP this outdoor season but given the way CIF works for outdoors that even that doesn't seem like a big deal. With no divisions it's damn near impossible for NP to win a team state title so the Young's aren't giving up a team requirement. The gauntlet of championships that a SS section athlete has to go through to even get to CIF finals is stupid and definitely not good for athlete development. If you've already got a scholarship and want to prioritize long term development the rational move is to not care about CIF.
In the age of the portal is they want to end up at UCLA they are gonna end up at UCLA, but I would assume Stanford is still more enticing as a legitimate team contender for XC, better education, and imo better training environment.
German, I agree with your point. Does it matter which Brosnan sent the workout? It would be foolish to make an NCAA issue of it. Could there be a different issue? Certainly not conflict of interest. Is it arrogant? A feather in the cap, saying, "Look at me"? Doubtful. I assume, without ever having met Sean or his wife, that any workouts posted are meant to help others understand the training they do. Some of my assumptions come based on races they posted that show the whole field, rather than just highlighting the NP athletes. As to the rumors that the twins will run for a club instead of HS, they can do both. Others have. They may benefit from skipping most of the CIF competition and can still run at State, if they run the qualifying races from League meet and beyond. Let's not forget that they skipped State Meet last year. I would rather have them skip most of the HS season and be ready at State. They would have a chance to do what no other team has done before; win State Team Title strictly on points from the distance races. Mission San Jose had 28 points in 1997, NP could double that total. That would certainly be something for the record books.
I disagree with the near impossible for them to win a team title at state. If all their guys are healthy, they can look at scoring from high 40 to mid 50s just on distance results.