I think trans men competing in athletic endeavors is unfair. Outside of that 8 have no issue with them, feel they should be it be harassed, and even if I'm not totally sure it is healthy or natural I don't want them discriminated against.
If you want to be addressed by different pronouns let me know and I will. If you want to use the bathroom that applies to your chosen as opposed to assigned gender I really don't care. That is actually a very weird thing to care about. I don't care who is in the bathroom with me, we aren't having a party.
When it comes to sport it needs to be fair, not what your emotions want you to be
Totally unfair advantage. Not a single person is telling them they can't compete. Every sporting opportunity is open to them. They just have to do it in the men's division.
BTW, most of my friends are proud democrats. Most think the same way I do on this issue, but they are all afraid of speaking up because of the backlash they would face. I'm a coach. Some of the kids I coach speak openly about trans rights. I keep my beliefs and opinions off the track. No place for it there. But this is an issue that isn't going away. In fact, as open minded as the younger generations are, this will likely be an issue for a very very long time.
I agree with Nick Symmonds' take. He thinks we should transition (no pun intended) to chromosome (XX or XY) race categories. No more debating, it even takes care of the intersex athletes, too.
Totally unfair advantage. Not a single person is telling them they can't compete. Every sporting opportunity is open to them. They just have to do it in the men's division.
BTW, most of my friends are proud democrats. Most think the same way I do on this issue, but they are all afraid of speaking up because of the backlash they would face. I'm a coach. Some of the kids I coach speak openly about trans rights. I keep my beliefs and opinions off the track. No place for it there. But this is an issue that isn't going away. In fact, as open minded as the younger generations are, this will likely be an issue for a very very long time.
why would you be a proud something if that something makes you afraid to tell your opinion? sounds like stockholm syndrom
Totally unfair advantage. Not a single person is telling them they can't compete. Every sporting opportunity is open to them. They just have to do it in the men's division.
BTW, most of my friends are proud democrats. Most think the same way I do on this issue, but they are all afraid of speaking up because of the backlash they would face. I'm a coach. Some of the kids I coach speak openly about trans rights. I keep my beliefs and opinions off the track. No place for it there. But this is an issue that isn't going away. In fact, as open minded as the younger generations are, this will likely be an issue for a very very long time.
why would you be a proud something if that something makes you afraid to tell your opinion? sounds like stockholm syndrom
One man/Democrat’s experience. That’s the thing—and healthy problem—with being a democrat: great spread, diversity and complexity of opinions: not like the simpler Republican bloc of oath-sworn, hive-mind unification.
let trans women compete in athletics. Some of you need to stop pretending like you actually care about women.
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How do you imagine this ends?
Does equal pay in sports go out the window as well? Because if we don't care about women, or women's sports, then the audience is going to shrink and the revenue will follow.
Or do I not care about women, but do care about trans women? Are trans women the same as women? Please be more precise with your language.
What if there is a trans woman who has not yet publicly transitioned? Since they were always a woman, did I not care about the entire time they were a man, or only stopped caring once they came out?
Or maybe it's all simpler than that. Maybe you just mean that if I'm on your side I obviously care about women and other proper things, but if I disagree with you then I'm only pretending to care.
I am just tired of the forced acceptance. If you think they are crazy and out of there minds you are called prejudice. I personally think they are mentally ill and we should not promote insanity. I have zero issue with gay or lesbian and have plenty of close friends that are gay or lesbian. I also have close friends that are same sex marriage however transgenderism is just a mental illness. I am sick and tired of the push for all of it. For example I have serious sinus issues and needed surgery but even with good medical care my co-pay was crazy $2,800 so I passed up my surgery and deal with my daily nose bleeds. However sexual reassignment surgery is covered 100% Why? Is it correcting a life and death situation or correcting a serious medical issue? The money they are pushing for this BS can be used to help kids fight cancer or other medical needs. Statistics show the majority are going to regret the surgery and be worse off!
I am just tired of the forced acceptance. If you think they are crazy and out of there minds you are called prejudice. I personally think they are mentally ill and we should not promote insanity. I have zero issue with gay or lesbian and have plenty of close friends that are gay or lesbian. I also have close friends that are same sex marriage however transgenderism is just a mental illness. I am sick and tired of the push for all of it. For example I have serious sinus issues and needed surgery but even with good medical care my co-pay was crazy $2,800 so I passed up my surgery and deal with my daily nose bleeds. However sexual reassignment surgery is covered 100% Why? Is it correcting a life and death situation or correcting a serious medical issue? The money they are pushing for this BS can be used to help kids fight cancer or other medical needs. Statistics show the majority are going to regret the surgery and be worse off!
If you want to use the bathroom that applies to your chosen as opposed to assigned gender I really don't care. That is actually a very weird thing to care about. I don't care who is in the bathroom with me, we aren't having a party.
The reason I care is because my tweenage daughters were in the locker room at our gym one day and some "trans" woman came walking through the locker room with their mangina hanging out and was looking around. When that happens to your daughters, you can let me know if you still don't care.
You don't really hear an uproar about a girl who now competes as a guy (and doesn't win). You hear about it when a guy becomes a girl and dominates the girl sports. Obviously they have an unfair advantage. Especially at the most competitive levels. In Division 1 running the 500th guy runs the 1500 in 3:49, a whopping 17 seconds faster than the FASTEST woman. If any one of those guys suddenly identified as a woman they would dominate the women's competition. Even reducing their testosterone, their body already has had benefits of being a guy and would still have a large advantage. And if that doesn't matter, then why do we have women's competition separate from men's competition?
I agree with Nick Symmonds' take. He thinks we should transition (no pun intended) to chromosome (XX or XY) race categories. No more debating, it even takes care of the intersex athletes, too.
What about people with a third chromosome? Also, would ever competitor need to get tested?
I am just tired of the forced acceptance. If you think they are crazy and out of there minds you are called prejudice. I personally think they are mentally ill and we should not promote insanity. I have zero issue with gay or lesbian and have plenty of close friends that are gay or lesbian. I also have close friends that are same sex marriage however transgenderism is just a mental illness. I am sick and tired of the push for all of it. For example I have serious sinus issues and needed surgery but even with good medical care my co-pay was crazy $2,800 so I passed up my surgery and deal with my daily nose bleeds. However sexual reassignment surgery is covered 100% Why? Is it correcting a life and death situation or correcting a serious medical issue? The money they are pushing for this BS can be used to help kids fight cancer or other medical needs. Statistics show the majority are going to regret the surgery and be worse off!
Where is your "statistics?
A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%).
I am just tired of the forced acceptance. If you think they are crazy and out of there minds you are called prejudice. I personally think they are mentally ill and we should not promote insanity. I have zero issue with gay or lesbian and have plenty of close friends that are gay or lesbian. I also have close friends that are same sex marriage however transgenderism is just a mental illness. I am sick and tired of the push for all of it. For example I have serious sinus issues and needed surgery but even with good medical care my co-pay was crazy $2,800 so I passed up my surgery and deal with my daily nose bleeds. However sexual reassignment surgery is covered 100% Why? Is it correcting a life and death situation or correcting a serious medical issue? The money they are pushing for this BS can be used to help kids fight cancer or other medical needs. Statistics show the majority are going to regret the surgery and be worse off!
Where is your "statistics?
A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%).
I agree with Nick Symmonds' take. He thinks we should transition (no pun intended) to chromosome (XX or XY) race categories. No more debating, it even takes care of the intersex athletes, too.
What about people with a third chromosome? Also, would ever competitor need to get tested?
Some organizations (Britain Triathlon) have already handled this by creating an XX Division and an Open Division (XY, XXY, etc.).
And no, they do not test everyone. But they could require that someone be tested to participate in the XX Division if need be. And we all know why that need would be.
A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%).
Its a mental illness! Medical insurance should not cover this at all.
The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people.
The DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”
You don't really hear an uproar about a girl who now competes as a guy (and doesn't win). You hear about it when a guy becomes a girl and dominates the girl sports. Obviously they have an unfair advantage.
That's the "check mate" to the argument right there. If this was mostly about anti- trans sentiment then the supposed anti-Trans folks would be equally mad about biological women who identify as men competing in men's sports. And.....they're not! [ unless possibly if they were allowed to mega-dope testosterone].
So clearly the OP's point falls flat. Of course some of the people complaining also hate trans people period. But that is not the driving force behind the majority of people, like me, who think it is unfair for biological men to compete against biological woman. And it is detrimental to woman's sports.
What about people with a third chromosome? Also, would ever competitor need to get tested?
It doesn't matter if a person has an unusual number of sex chromosomes - aka “aneuploidy"- because if one of the sex chromosomes is a Y, it almost always means he is male.
People who are 47,XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) and 47,XYY (Jacob's syndrome) are unambiguously male. People who are 47,XXX (Trisomy X) are unambiguously female. Same goes for
The presence of the Y chromosome means male nearly 100% of the time.
There are, however, some rare exceptions to the rule. Every once in a while, a human is conceived with 46,XY sex chromosomes where for some reason the male-determining SRY gene that is normally on the Y is missing. This causes XY fetuses to develop neither testes nor ovaries and to go down the female developmental pathway with internal Mullerian structures (Swyer syndrome).
On the other hand, every once in a while a human will have 46,XX chromosomes where one of the Xs will carry the SRY gene. Those persons develop as males with normal male gonads (testes) and external genitalia, and the other internal reproductive organs that males have such as prostates, vas deferens ducts and seminal vesicles - although their testes are usually on the small side and they are typically infertile.
It's very easy to deal with the issue of atypical sex chromosomes occasionally occurring in humans by testing athletes seeking to compete in women's and girls' sports for the presence of the male-determining SRY gene.
In the 1990s when the IOC and IAAF still did mandatory DNA testing by means of cheek swabs on all athletes seeking to compete in women's elite international sporting events, the testing was for the SRY gene.
If mandatory DNA testing were re-introduced in order to restore and insure fairness for female athletes, it would also be easy to write the rules so that XY athletes with one particular disorder of male sex development, CAIS, are still allowed to compete in women's events, but athletes with all other disorders of male sex development like XY 5-ARD and PAIS are not. A case could be made that athletes with CAIS should also be out, but many advocates of fairness for female athletes could live with a compromise whereby CAIS athletes with marginal or moderate physical advantages are in so long as it means that other XY DSD athletes with obvious and huge physical advantages like Semenya, Niyonsaba, Wambui, Chand, Mboma, Masilingi and others are out - and that all males with normal sex development who now claim opposite-sex gender identities are out as well.
Some people oppose re-introducing mandatory DNA testing as a way of making sure that female sports are confined to female athletes on the grounds that such testing is "too invasive." But brushing the inside of the mouth with a cotton swab to obtain DNA for testing is actually less invasive than a standard Covid test - and it doesn't involve any physical discomfort the way Covid testing often does.
DNA testing for sex chromosomes and the SRY gene is also less invasive than the mandatory screening for a host of inborn conditions of genetic origin that all babies born in the USA are required to get by law.
Most important, during the roughly 30-year period when DNA testing was mandatory for athletes in women's elite international competition, the large majority of female athletes supported the testing and thought it should continue. The only official complaints and legal challenges to stop the IAAF and IOC from making eligibility for women's competition contingent on having female sex chromosomes and no SRY gene came from a small number of athletes competing in women's events whom the testing revealed were XY with disorders of male sex development.
As for the question of whether every competitor would need to get tested, FINA's new regulations say that all athletes in boys' and men's as well as girls' and women's aquatics that it governs must be tested by their own federations - and that FINA will conduct additional testing to confirm that the results reported by federations are on the up and up.
Its a mental illness! Medical insurance should not cover this at all.
The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people.
The DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”
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