Was it a runner who committed this violent act against this woman, or was it some guy waiting to force her into a vehicle. I’m not sure I get how “we male runners” could have done anything to make Eliza “feel safe” here. If anything, this like all other “here’s what men can do to help women feel safe” threads, goes after the wrong people. You can lecture the good guys on all sorts of small things they should be doing while not actually putting women in real danger, and you won’t stop one single bad guy from putting women in danger. If you’re telling men to give a slightly wider berth when passing a woman on the sidewalk, you haven’t prevented an attack or a kidnapping.
Well said. Are we trying to prevent kidnappings and assaults, or are we trying to feel good about ourselves?
The general crime stats I posted is evidence that women runners are safer. In particular, because the stats I looked at were in reference to attacks where the attacker was not known to the victim.
These are real world stats, which represent the real world. I don’t know why you want to believe women are more likely to be attacked, but all of the evidence suggests otherwise. You can go put your white amour away.
This is a ridiculous premise! You can't look at attacks in every situation and then assume that trend continues in every niche, like running, for example.
I did a search three ways. All three confirmed that women are attacked far more often than men.
First, I google searched for women attacked while running. I found pages of articles about women being attacked.
Next, I did a search for men attacked while running. The articles were overwhelmingly about women! I did find two stories about men in the first 20 pages, but otherwise the articles were about women. The story of Karnazes attack by a coyote appears a few times. (I'm aware that far more than two men have been attacked while running. I'm showing that the trend is far more attacks of women than of men.)
Finally, I did a search for runners killed why running. I found this list showing 14 women and 1 man.
People, primarily female, often report being harassed while running for exercise. Many of the harassment incidents and physical attacks happen during daylight hours. In one nine-day period in 2016, three women were murdered w...
I just leave them thefock alone. I don't try to pace them or 'help' them or give them tips or compliment them (I have a friend who does and it makes me not want to run with him). I'll give a nod, smile and/or a wave as I pass, nothing more.
I typically try not to abduct/ murder them too. Seems to be working for me so far
as men (I’m a man), how can we make you (females) feel more safe? I live in a rural area and females run by from time to time. I always think “I hope she feels safe!”. It’s pathetic that we need to be having this conversation, but it should be had.
Do you want them to feel more safe or be more safe? Those are two different things.
This is a huge point. I see women (and men) walking around looking at their phones and oblivious to what is going on around them. Sure, they "feel" safe, but they aren't. Helping them to maintain this delusion that the world is always a safe place is a disservice to that person.
You have to first become aware that you aren't always safe and then take steps to be safer. Then, you can feel "safe." Safe is in quotes here because safety isn't absolute, regardless of what you do.
as men (I’m a man), how can we make you (females) feel more safe? I live in a rural area and females run by from time to time. I always think “I hope she feels safe!”. It’s pathetic that we need to be having this conversation, but it should be had.
We can start by keeping violent offenders in jail.
When I'm driving in my white van and see a woman running, I usually pull up beside her and offer her a ride home. For some reason they always pick up the pace and pretend they don't notice me. I guess they're really focused on their workout?
This article is only referring to homicides. There is a whole spectrum of harassment, assault, battery, etc., or "attacks" as you say, that can occur without homicide.
Decades ago, there was a case of the Central Park Jogger. She was running in the middle of the night and a group of teenagers assaulted her beyond believability. It was horrible.
Their "reason" was that they were out "wilding", as if it was ok.
So, groups of runners would meet in the middle of the night in CP and literally terrorize these groups of trouble makers. They took the law into their own hands.
I don't know what the solution really is, but people- men, women, children, everyone has the right to be out, running, walking, at any time of day in any neighborhood.
The criminals do not have that right.
This pig in the latest crime spent 20 years in prison for kidnapping! He's been out for about 2 years and this.
Maybe with crimes like this these people should never be free.
But, the problem is- how do we prevent it?
How do we prevent cowards like this from striking?
The general crime stats I posted is evidence that women runners are safer. In particular, because the stats I looked at were in reference to attacks where the attacker was not known to the victim.
These are real world stats, which represent the real world. I don’t know why you want to believe women are more likely to be attacked, but all of the evidence suggests otherwise. You can go put your white amour away.
This is a ridiculous premise! You can't look at attacks in every situation and then assume that trend continues in every niche, like running, for example.
I did a search three ways. All three confirmed that women are attacked far more often than men.
First, I google searched for women attacked while running. I found pages of articles about women being attacked.
Next, I did a search for men attacked while running. The articles were overwhelmingly about women! I did find two stories about men in the first 20 pages, but otherwise the articles were about women. The story of Karnazes attack by a coyote appears a few times. (I'm aware that far more than two men have been attacked while running. I'm showing that the trend is far more attacks of women than of men.)
Finally, I did a search for runners killed why running. I found this list showing 14 women and 1 man.
I didn’t look at attacks on every situation. I looked at attacks by strangers. I also looked at attacks in public, the relationship still holds. Men are more likely to be attacked.
Good job showing the media is more likely to report attacks on females well running then men though. Seriously, your proof otherwise is google searches showing individual cases and a Wikipedia article of a list of attacks, that somehow is only 15 attacks long?
This article is only referring to homicides. There is a whole spectrum of harassment, assault, battery, etc., or "attacks" as you say, that can occur without homicide.
Not make eye contact with female runners. That is intimidation.
Not run behind female runners. Turn around and go in the opposite direction. If you encounter another female runner, turn around again. Repeat this process until the coast is clear.
Have all female and all male races.
Never give kudos to a female runner on strava. That is intimidation.
Run without shoes so you are shorter and less intimidating.
This article is only referring to homicides. There is a whole spectrum of harassment, assault, battery, etc., or "attacks" as you say, that can occur without homicide.
Men are more likely to be assaulted to.
That's fine, but we shouldn't use an article referring to a very specific crime as evidence of another type of crime... because that is moronic.
People, primarily female, often report being harassed while running for exercise. Many of the harassment incidents and physical attacks happen during daylight hours. In one nine-day period in 2016, three women were murdered w...
That's fine, but we shouldn't use an article referring to a very specific crime as evidence of another type of crime... because that is moronic.
The article contains the most applicable stats to the situation being discussed that anyone in this thread has produced.
What is moronic is choose to just go with what people “feel” is correct, rather than look at the real world crime stats and draw a conclusion from actual data.
This is a ridiculous premise! You can't look at attacks in every situation and then assume that trend continues in every niche, like running, for example.
I did a search three ways. All three confirmed that women are attacked far more often than men.
First, I google searched for women attacked while running. I found pages of articles about women being attacked.
Next, I did a search for men attacked while running. The articles were overwhelmingly about women! I did find two stories about men in the first 20 pages, but otherwise the articles were about women. The story of Karnazes attack by a coyote appears a few times. (I'm aware that far more than two men have been attacked while running. I'm showing that the trend is far more attacks of women than of men.)
Finally, I did a search for runners killed why running. I found this list showing 14 women and 1 man.
I didn’t look at attacks on every situation. I looked at attacks by strangers. I also looked at attacks in public, the relationship still holds. Men are more likely to be attacked.
Good job showing the media is more likely to report attacks on females well running then men though. Seriously, your proof otherwise is google searches showing individual cases and a Wikipedia article of a list of attacks, that somehow is only 15 attacks long?
There is a very easy explanation for your stats. Men are more likely to fight each other, in private or in public. But these fights tend to happen at situation that can potentially create confrontation. I previously gave an example of bar fight, which obviously you down voted. That is just an example. There are countless such examples, where a lot of people gathering around, can potentially run into each other or step on one another's toes.
On the other hand, running out rarely creates confrontation, and thus it's very unconceivable that a male runners will often get into a fight. But on the other hand, it's quite conceivable (unfortunately) that a female runner may attract unwanted atention.
So in short, you extrapolate stats from potentially situations that creates confrontation, which is quite abandon, in public places, to the specific of unconfrontational situation of runners running out, and draw the wrong conclusion. All the while thinking you are applying science.
You are actually way off the mark. The article isn't saying female runners are less vulnerable than male runners, its comparing total homicides and percentages over a year, regardless of activity. Since the majority of murders are men, its going to suggest men are more vulnerable, and maybe that's the case in everyday life. But that does not mean it applies evenly to every situation. Specific risk is dependent on scenario. In some situations, like running alone, women would still be at greater risk in that scenario even though the overall average says men are at greater risk. For a fact, women experience sexual harassment, stalking, rape, and kidnapping at a much higher rates WHILE RUNNING than men. Period.