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1 year ago 09/01/2022 12:35pm EDT

re: Blunt1

Blunt1 wrote:
Could this not perhaps be the problem.
No 4;50 marathon runner ,jogger then walk person should be able to enter a 55 mile ultra.
The race organizers just want to cash in on as many entries as possible and dont care that a 4;50 hobby jogger has little chance of finishing before the cutoffs

A 4:50 marathon requirement seems about right to me to complete a 55 mile race in 12 hours. That offers a roughly 25% slowdown in pace to cover just under 2x the distance. Would you argue that a 2:25 half marathoner shouldn't be able to enter a marathon with a 6 hour cutoff?

What marathon time would you place the cutoff at?

1 year ago 09/01/2022 1:47pm EDT

re: On topic

On topic wrote:
Blunt1 wrote:
Could this not perhaps be the problem.
No 4;50 marathon runner ,jogger then walk person should be able to enter a 55 mile ultra.
The race organizers just want to cash in on as many entries as possible and dont care that a 4;50 hobby jogger has little chance of finishing before the cutoffs
A 4:50 marathon requirement seems about right to me to complete a 55 mile race in 12 hours. That offers a roughly 25% slowdown in pace to cover just under 2x the distance. Would you argue that a 2:25 half marathoner shouldn't be able to enter a marathon with a 6 hour cutoff?
What marathon time would you place the cutoff at?

Good question. What about 4 hours ?

Definitely not too strict, but it will prevent the 4+hour marathon joggers from participating.

1 year ago 09/01/2022 7:18pm EDT

re: AOL Lawyer

AOL Lawyer wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
The vaccine does not prevent transmission. We know that. Hence it does not work.
We also know it had already done massive damage with more to come.
What more do you need to wake up and see the propaganda for what it is?
Your first sentence explains to me what you don't understand. A vaccine does not prevent transmission (directly), it does not prevent infection (as it is not an invisible shield). What it does is prevent most fatalities in those infected. Try looking at the vast rooms filled with people in iron lungs back before the polio vaccine was rolled out. Do we still see this today?

The vaccine actually does prevent Omicron transmission. Carmine is just wrong (as usual):

medrxiv.org

Infectiousness of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections during the Omicron wave

With more recent SARS-CoV-2 variants, breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals and reinfections among previously infected individuals are increasingly common, especially during the Omicron wave. Such infections have...

Link:www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.0...

1 year ago 09/01/2022 8:56pm EDT

re: Charlesvdw

I ran Comrades 6 times between 1998-2011. As a 4 hour marathon hobby jogger, my best time was 10:47. I also finished in 11:15. The others were DNF. The course is that difficult. I think a 4:30 marathon should be the cutoff for a 12 hour finish. It is very exciting to watch hundreds of exhausted runners try to beat the clock and the closing of the course.

1 year ago 09/02/2022 3:41am EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
The vaccine actually does prevent Omicron transmission. Carmine is just wrong (as usual):
Link:www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.0...

I was careful to say "does not prevent transmission (directly)."

If you think about what a vaccine is, it primes your immune system by exposing it to something very similar to the infectious agent (simplistically). Someone then gets exposed to the infectious agent in enough quantities for the infection to take hold. What happens next is (ideally) a brief battle between your primed immune system and the infection. The part that is difficult to say with certainty is during this time window are you able to pass on the infection?

The effect of preventing transmission is really a population wide one whereby so many people have active antibodies that the infection runs out of new susceptible hosts. It could well be that people who have been vaccinated are exposed many times but each time the virus is killed before any detectable symptoms happen.

1 year ago 09/02/2022 4:59am EDT

re: On topic

On topic wrote:
Blunt1 wrote:
Could this not perhaps be the problem.
No 4;50 marathon runner ,jogger then walk person should be able to enter a 55 mile ultra.
The race organizers just want to cash in on as many entries as possible and dont care that a 4;50 hobby jogger has little chance of finishing before the cutoffs
A 4:50 marathon requirement seems about right to me to complete a 55 mile race in 12 hours. That offers a roughly 25% slowdown in pace to cover just under 2x the distance. Would you argue that a 2:25 half marathoner shouldn't be able to enter a marathon with a 6 hour cutoff?
What marathon time would you place the cutoff at?

I think this is not an easy question .Maybe around 4:35 or 4:40 .

I was in South Africa a few months back when people were trying to qualify for Comrades. I was pretty shocked at the time that many out of shape people were proudly saying they had made the 4;50 time . These same people were using a run/walk strategy just to finish the 42.2km distance.

Unfortunately the majority of these runners failed to finish Comrades .

1 year ago 09/02/2022 5:03am EDT

re: aisleseatonly

aisleseatonly wrote:
I ran Comrades 6 times between 1998-2011. As a 4 hour marathon hobby jogger, my best time was 10:47. I also finished in 11:15. The others were DNF. The course is that difficult. I think a 4:30 marathon should be the cutoff for a 12 hour finish. It is very exciting to watch hundreds of exhausted runners try to beat the clock and the closing of the course.

Yes agreed everyone loves to see those poor broken runners crawling on all fours as they desperately try cling on to their dream of crossing the line.

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