This race was just a tactical mistake my Jakob. He let Wightman cut in on the curve thinking he could come around on the final stretch. What he didn’t plan on was Wightman cutting in before he had room. Jakob was forced to stutter step and lost all momentum. At that point the race was over.
Disagree on him losing all momentum. He actually managed to close somewhat on Wightman in the home straight but then Wightman sensed that and kicked into another gear to pull away from him. Wightman's low 1:44 800m PB would definitely help him there. Jakob's current 800m best is only a mid 1:46 as comparison.
So you let someone with a faster 800 cut in front of you at 150 to go and you have to cut your stride and think you are going to catch them? No. Jakob was doing a standing 150 while Wightman was doing a flying 150. The race was over at that point.
Does anyone know what is going on with Jakob and his dad ?
Sounds like Jakob was just getting fed up with how controlling his dad can be. They talked about it on the LRC day 5 recap podcast (become a SC member today to listen!-yw rojo/wejo). I guess Jakob would intentionally eat double when his dad would be telling him to eat less and stuff like that... Seems to be they are going through pretty normal "fights" given the father/son/coach dynamic
Disagree on him losing all momentum. He actually managed to close somewhat on Wightman in the home straight but then Wightman sensed that and kicked into another gear to pull away from him. Wightman's low 1:44 800m PB would definitely help him there. Jakob's current 800m best is only a mid 1:46 as comparison.
So you let someone with a faster 800 cut in front of you at 150 to go and you have to cut your stride and think you are going to catch them? No. Jakob was doing a standing 150 while Wightman was doing a flying 150. The race was over at that point.
Lol 😂 my point was that he didn't lose all his momentum as stated.
Does anyone know what is going on with Jakob and his dad ?
Sounds like Jakob was just getting fed up with how controlling his dad can be. They talked about it on the LRC day 5 recap podcast (become a SC member today to listen!-yw rojo/wejo). I guess Jakob would intentionally eat double when his dad would be telling him to eat less and stuff like that... Seems to be they are going through pretty normal "fights" given the father/son/coach dynamic
Yep. Their coach/athlete relationship destroyed their father/son relationship untill they couldn't keep doing it.
The mistake I make is that I do not run fast enough when I first get up. This is because I followed the clock and saw that I ran fast up to 700 meters. I thought that if I kept a steady pace, I could run fast in the final lap."
- I opened the door for people to choose to use force to attack. Had I just run a little faster, that door would not have been opened. There was no long sprint by Wightman, but I did not have the strength to run past Weightman again. It had looked different that it had been a Diamond League race, Ingebrigtsen thought.
Idefended my place all the time, but it never stopped. I ruined too much for myself, and that's just my own fault. Despite the fact that we run fast, I could run faster. I could run very much faster, said Ingebrigtsen with emphasis on the word very.
- I know I'm the best here, but I can not do what I have to do. I could obviously have run faster than I have ever done before.
The mistake I make is that I do not run fast enough when I first get up. This is because I followed the clock and saw that I ran fast up to 700 meters. I thought that if I kept a steady pace, I could run fast in the final lap."
- I opened the door for people to choose to use force to attack. Had I just run a little faster, that door would not have been opened. There was no long sprint by Wightman, but I did not have the strength to run past Weightman again. It had looked different that it had been a Diamond League race, Ingebrigtsen thought.
Idefended my place all the time, but it never stopped. I ruined too much for myself, and that's just my own fault. Despite the fact that we run fast, I could run faster. I could run very much faster, said Ingebrigtsen with emphasis on the word very.
- I know I'm the best here, but I can not do what I have to do. I could obviously have run faster than I have ever done before.
I think his analysis is spot-on. If he was going to take it so early, he had to either run a 55-flat lap and put everyone into a bind OR do what he did but not so fiercely fend off attacks from the Kenyans. What ended out happening is it set up a tolerable pace for the guys who were content to wait until 300 like Wightman/Katir/Garcia-Romo, while giving himself extra work to do to protect his spot. Effective to beat the impatient Kenyans, ineffective to close the door on other challengers. I think if he let Tim go by at 650-600 to go, but then made sure to retake the lead with 300-250 to go he would've won. It probably would've been a touch slower.
That was one of the great wins in championship 1500m running. Wightman clearly realized the way to beat Jakob and had the guts to do it.
You can't let Jakob lead into the home straight - he's too strong, has those wide shoulders and when everyone is holding on for dear life he's the best at it.
What doesn't he have? A second gear and real ability to pick his turnover up and go around people. Wightman moving past him with 200 to go was genius vs trying to off the final curve is the key. People might say "yeah but if he has the energy to do it with 200 to go why not save it for 100 to go" - doesn't work this way, with 200 to go Wightman still had enough to move cleanly past and get that crucial step which Jakob doesn't and did not have the speed to reverse in the home straight.
Just one of the best performances I've ever seen in the 1500m and a fantastic race.
The mistake I make is that I do not run fast enough when I first get up. This is because I followed the clock and saw that I ran fast up to 700 meters. I thought that if I kept a steady pace, I could run fast in the final lap."
- I opened the door for people to choose to use force to attack. Had I just run a little faster, that door would not have been opened. There was no long sprint by Wightman, but I did not have the strength to run past Weightman again. It had looked different that it had been a Diamond League race, Ingebrigtsen thought.
Idefended my place all the time, but it never stopped. I ruined too much for myself, and that's just my own fault. Despite the fact that we run fast, I could run faster. I could run very much faster, said Ingebrigtsen with emphasis on the word very.
- I know I'm the best here, but I can not do what I have to do. I could obviously have run faster than I have ever done before.
I think his analysis is spot-on. If he was going to take it so early, he had to either run a 55-flat lap and put everyone into a bind OR do what he did but not so fiercely fend off attacks from the Kenyans. What ended out happening is it set up a tolerable pace for the guys who were content to wait until 300 like Wightman/Katir/Garcia-Romo, while giving himself extra work to do to protect his spot. Effective to beat the impatient Kenyans, ineffective to close the door on other challengers. I think if he let Tim go by at 650-600 to go, but then made sure to retake the lead with 300-250 to go he would've won. It probably would've been a touch slower.
Yeah it all makes sense. The key move in the entire race is obviously Wightman passing with 200 to go because Jakob doesn't have that "gear-up" to re-pass him and if kind of straight forwards that if Jake is too fatigued to make that move due to the speed of the race then Jakob is strong enough to hold off anyone quite easily.
When we look at Tokyo it was 1.51.8 (Jakob 1.52) at 800m and 2.47.3 (Jakob 2.47.5) at 1200m. It was only marginally slower last night - 2.48.28 but the difference was Jakob was in front, like he was at 800m and in Tokyo he had TC to key off.
It's an interesting one - you would think from his comments he had taken them through in 1.55/2.52 or something - how much faster he was thinking he was capable of I don't know - an El G like 2.46.8 (Seville)? Not sure even he's surviving that as well as he thinks he might have.
I think his analysis is spot-on. If he was going to take it so early, he had to either run a 55-flat lap and put everyone into a bind OR do what he did but not so fiercely fend off attacks from the Kenyans. What ended out happening is it set up a tolerable pace for the guys who were content to wait until 300 like Wightman/Katir/Garcia-Romo, while giving himself extra work to do to protect his spot. Effective to beat the impatient Kenyans, ineffective to close the door on other challengers. I think if he let Tim go by at 650-600 to go, but then made sure to retake the lead with 300-250 to go he would've won. It probably would've been a touch slower.
Yeah it all makes sense. The key move in the entire race is obviously Wightman passing with 200 to go because Jakob doesn't have that "gear-up" to re-pass him and if kind of straight forwards that if Jake is too fatigued to make that move due to the speed of the race then Jakob is strong enough to hold off anyone quite easily....
It's an interesting one - you would think from his comments he had taken them through in 1.55/2.52 or something - how much faster he was thinking he was capable of I don't know - an El G like 2.46.8 (Seville)? ...
Rewatch when JI passes Kipsang with 800 to go - Kipsang speeds up a bit, and JI has to dig a little deeper than expected to pass on the outside. You can actually see from his face that he is suddenly breathing a lot harder, i think he went a bit lactic and so didn't have enough to hold off Wightman's pass. He's just not that good at speed changes the way some East Africans are.
He looked around with 30m? to go, knowing he had silver and could not catch Wightman he eased up saving himself for the 5k. He probably could have shaved another 10th if he ran thought the line but why bother.