What is your long run shoe at the moment?

I don’t have an opinion but when carbon plates were getting popular, I thought pros were saying that they’re good for training because they could recover faster with them or train harder or something.

Does anyone remember a pro saying that and if there was ever any explanation or just placebo?

Also anyone saying training in carbon plate shoes is wrong, are you saying it’s simply a waste of money or that there’s something physiologically bad about training in them?

I've been using the Rincons for everything for the past few months, but could use something more durable to rotate with them. How do you find the Cliftons and Shifts compare for fit and durability ?

Nike Zoomfly 4, very comfortable fit and don’t slip and very durable my 3’s lasted about 750 miles before soles were too smooth but cushioning was still great.

I wear them for runs 6 to 14 miles+ on a weekly basis and longest was 18

Hate to be that guy, but you probably didn't transition into the Magnifly's slowly enough. It's a big jump from 10mm heels to 0mm, especially if you're converting a lot of miles all at once. Calves and the Achilles need a long and gradual adjustment period to zero-drop shoes if you're coming from a big heel.

Sadly, I have to admit that I think Nike Peg's are the best LSD shoe of any brand atm, imo. I'm talking cheap non-super shoe. Taking into account my definition of what a LSD shoe should be, my limited experience of shoes, and my opinion based off these factors.

I really want to try out Saucony Ride 15, I've heard this elsewhere too, I'm hoping it takes the crown from the Pegs.

Saucony Triumph, those are ranked #2 for me atm.

Altra provision.

There's no evidence that carbon plated shoes are bad for training runs. Some sports scientists have speculated that they could eventually lead to weaker foot muscles as you don't work them as much when you have the carbon plate. But still no evidence of this.

Anyway, I'm using the Endorphin Speed for long runs. It's still the best all-round shoe on the market, and you can get it discounted now. Saucony really hit paydirt with that one

Is there evidence that they're not bad, or do you mean that no one's studied it? I've never noticed an issue, just curious.

Anyway, I think the super shoe recovery benefit was mostly from the new foam + super stacks given better cushion, but you need the plate for stability it when it gets that high. I do like the ZoomX in the Streakfly for long run workouts, though.

No, there's no evidence either way. People have theories, and a lot of people will see a runner get injured and try and put 2 and 2 together, but that's all conjecture. As you say, most athletes say that it's all about the recovery benefits that the supershoes give

I'm now using Saucony Triumph 19. The power run plus foam is awesome. It's soft enough to totally protect your feet but it's dense enough so you don't feel you are sinking in. It's actually got a little pop when you pick up the pace. You're not gonna choose this for speedwork but it feels good when you do pick up the pace. The upper is nice and breathable. It's slightly heavier at 10ish ounces. This shoe is a super stable comfortable ride for miles and miles. I think the only other shoe that is in this category (maxish cushion, but responsive firmness as well) would be the Glycerin 20 with the new DNA Loft 3. The reviews of Glycerin 20 compare it to the Triumph 19.

Slower long runs - Reebok Forever Energy or Reebok Symmetros (this one is more cushioned).

Faster long runs - old VF4% or Next% Tempo. I'm at about 13 miles right now, building up to 20+.

Great choice, also my long run shoe. Recently i tried the Saucony Triumph and this shoe was suprising good too.

Interesting choice, I prefer slip-ons when I am LSD