Can someone explain this phrase that suddenly appears everywhere in this thread as if it’s a disqualifier for accomplishing something? What is a “youth track runner?” Just a kid who ran middle school track? I was 4:59/10:37 as a freshman after doing two years of middle school track. I never sniffed 8:44 for 3200 in HS and I had above average coaching.
No. People are saying Brosnan is a good coach with a good talent pool. It’s not to disqualify accomplishments. It’s to point out that the OP is wrong to say Brosnan changed the game somehow by coining a phrase that started a revolution of mindsets. He’s a good coach who got good talent. Period. Which is great and shouldn’t be diminished. But no one should be claiming the guys is some revolutionary thought leader here. He may not even be a revolutionary coach at all. But he’s a good (maybe even great) one who gets results.
Newbury Park under Brosnan have results no other high school coach has ever seen. That makes it remarkable and never seen before and down right amazing. Their 3rd guy in cross country ran a 4:01 mile, 13:43 5000m and a 7:57 3000m as a junior. No one can argue the results.
Total game changer in HS sports and running at Newbury Park. Legend status we are seeing
Here's a recent interview with Brosnan where he describes his philosophy, his interactions with his athletes, etc. My guess is that many other coaches would have similar ways of doing things.
RunBlogRun presentsSocialing The Distance with Larry EderFeaturing Sean Brosnan, Head Coach at Newbury Park Athletic Club and EducatorFind Sean on Twitter: h...
You can't be that dumb. They are muscular because they starting training for football at a young age. Ryan Hall wasn't always muscular, but once he started lifted he got massive.
Track loses a lot of athletes to other sports like soccer, baseball, basketball, now even ninja warrior.
Please quit with the insults. People do have different body types and skinny teenage distance runners could ingest massive amounts of protein, lift copious amount of weights and still put on only about 5 pounds. You make it sound like a kid can pick any sport he wants and change his body accordingly. I guess the Young twins could increase their height to play basketball.
Distance running isn’t the repulsive sport you think it is and there are others that lose athletes to XC/Track. Distance running is actually a blast if you have talent like NP kids have. My HS didn’t have a ninja team but it does sound fun.
The announcers for NCAAs just said the Minnesota steeplechaser was a football player, didn't do Cross Country until his senior year. 8:29 steeplechase PB. 7:52 in the 3,000m and 13:32 in the 5,000m. Today he made the NCAA final in the steeplechase.
Please quit with the insults. People do have different body types and skinny teenage distance runners could ingest massive amounts of protein, lift copious amount of weights and still put on only about 5 pounds. You make it sound like a kid can pick any sport he wants and change his body accordingly. I guess the Young twins could increase their height to play basketball.
Distance running isn’t the repulsive sport you think it is and there are others that lose athletes to XC/Track. Distance running is actually a blast if you have talent like NP kids have. My HS didn’t have a ninja team but it does sound fun.
The announcers for NCAAs just said the Minnesota steeplechaser was a football player, didn't do Cross Country until his senior year. 8:29 steeplechase PB. 7:52 in the 3,000m and 13:32 in the 5,000m. Today he made the NCAA final in the steeplechase.
Sure, that’s one example. I don’t think the best HS distance runner in the country, Colin Sahlman, could play football or really any other HS sport.
Brosnan deserves lots of credit. I don’t know the man. However, he is not getting lucky. he is doing something right. I don’t know how anyone could argue that he is simply amazing.
There were 2 brothers from a family living in Reno that played football at Folsom High School and ended up being college 5-star recruits. They had come down to Sacramento for a football camp and heard countless people rave about the Folsom program. Their mother rented an apartment in Folsom to get an address for them to play there. Led by the brothers, Folsom had 2 unbeaten seasons.
Brosnan deserves lots of credit. I don’t know the man. However, he is not getting lucky. he is doing something right. I don’t know how anyone could argue that he is simply amazing.
There were 2 brothers from a family living in Reno that played football at Folsom High School and ended up being college 5-star recruits. They had come down to Sacramento for a football camp and heard countless people rave about the Folsom program. Their mother rented an apartment in Folsom to get an address for them to play there. Led by the brothers, Folsom had 2 unbeaten seasons.
Was the Folsom football coach amazing?
I know nothing about football, but I do know a lot about cross country and track. Newbury Park gets results on the girls side and the boys side at all levels. When they do things no team in history have ever done it definitely involves the coach as being a huge part of it. It's not like Newbury Park was anything to write home about before the current coach arrived.
Every great coach has critics. It's just part of the people on the outside and envy. This is the same excuse but different coach / team.
There were 2 brothers from a family living in Reno that played football at Folsom High School and ended up being college 5-star recruits. They had come down to Sacramento for a football camp and heard countless people rave about the Folsom program. Their mother rented an apartment in Folsom to get an address for them to play there. Led by the brothers, Folsom had 2 unbeaten seasons.
Was the Folsom football coach amazing?
I know nothing about football, but I do know a lot about cross country and track. Newbury Park gets results on the girls side and the boys side at all levels. When they do things no team in history have ever done it definitely involves the coach as being a huge part of it. It's not like Newbury Park was anything to write home about before the current coach arrived.
Every great coach has critics. It's just part of the people on the outside and envy. This is the same excuse but different coach / team.
They have a good girls team but, like any other HS distance team in history, they aren’t in the same universe as the Sahlman and Young brothers.
As I’ve posted before, the brothers would be just as good at any HS with a good environment for running and with a competent coach or even a previously inexperienced coach willing to take the time to research how other great HS runners have trained. Coaching multiple great runners is no more difficult than having just one and maybe easier since the NP kids can train with people of comparable talent.
I know nothing about football, but I do know a lot about cross country and track. Newbury Park gets results on the girls side and the boys side at all levels. When they do things no team in history have ever done it definitely involves the coach as being a huge part of it. It's not like Newbury Park was anything to write home about before the current coach arrived.
Every great coach has critics. It's just part of the people on the outside and envy. This is the same excuse but different coach / team.
They have a good girls team but, like any other HS distance team in history, they aren’t in the same universe as the Sahlman and Young brothers.
As I’ve posted before, the brothers would be just as good at any HS with a good environment for running and with a competent coach or even a previously inexperienced coach willing to take the time to research how other great HS runners have trained. Coaching multiple great runners is no more difficult than having just one and maybe easier since the NP kids can train with people of comparable talent.
This would be why Newbury Park is the best ever and you're just posting and complaining about it.
Great is out there changing the sport and creating opportunity and the complainers will always be on the side watching.
They have a good girls team but, like any other HS distance team in history, they aren’t in the same universe as the Sahlman and Young brothers.
As I’ve posted before, the brothers would be just as good at any HS with a good environment for running and with a competent coach or even a previously inexperienced coach willing to take the time to research how other great HS runners have trained. Coaching multiple great runners is no more difficult than having just one and maybe easier since the NP kids can train with people of comparable talent.
This would be why Newbury Park is the best ever and you're just posting and complaining about it.
Great is out there changing the sport and creating opportunity and the complainers will always be on the side watching.
Those are facts.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
This would be why Newbury Park is the best ever and you're just posting and complaining about it.
Great is out there changing the sport and creating opportunity and the complainers will always be on the side watching.
Those are facts.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
But the problem I see with some of the criticism is that there's an absolute certainty that these four talented runners would get the same results with any decent coach. Perhaps, but there's also the possibility that Colin would be running 4:05, Lex 8:50, Leo same, Aaron 1:54. Of course we'll never know. Credit should be given Brosnan for getting these performances from these kids. Nobody magically runs sub 4 without talent but it's up to a coach to get them to sub 4.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
But the problem I see with some of the criticism is that there's an absolute certainty that these four talented runners would get the same results with any decent coach. Perhaps, but there's also the possibility that Colin would be running 4:05, Lex 8:50, Leo same, Aaron 1:54. Of course we'll never know. Credit should be given Brosnan for getting these performances from these kids. Nobody magically runs sub 4 without talent but it's up to a coach to get them to sub 4.
There's also a possibility that other coaches would have made those 4 runners faster than Brosnan did...
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
But the problem I see with some of the criticism is that there's an absolute certainty that these four talented runners would get the same results with any decent coach. Perhaps, but there's also the possibility that Colin would be running 4:05, Lex 8:50, Leo same, Aaron 1:54. Of course we'll never know. Credit should be given Brosnan for getting these performances from these kids. Nobody magically runs sub 4 without talent but it's up to a coach to get them to sub 4.
Really no possibility at all. With ordinary HS training, the times you listed would feel easy to them and they would run faster whenever they decided to.
After all the great HS runners starting with Ryun almost 60 years ago, Brosnan did not reinvent training to a point where a 4:05 guy can run 3:56. For sure, 1:48 800 speed for a guy that is the best XC runner in HS, cannot be trained. There have been very good HS runners that can’t even run a 54.
But the problem I see with some of the criticism is that there's an absolute certainty that these four talented runners would get the same results with any decent coach. Perhaps, but there's also the possibility that Colin would be running 4:05, Lex 8:50, Leo same, Aaron 1:54. Of course we'll never know. Credit should be given Brosnan for getting these performances from these kids. Nobody magically runs sub 4 without talent but it's up to a coach to get them to sub 4.
There's also a possibility that other coaches would have made those 4 runners faster than Brosnan did...
Anything's possible, and just as I said previously we'll never know. But the way I look at it is the runners should get the accolades but the coach should be acknowledged as having helped gotten them to their performances. Whether you don't like the coach, think he's a jerk, whatever, the fact is that he coached them and not a hypothetical coach who could have done better.
This would be why Newbury Park is the best ever and you're just posting and complaining about it.
Great is out there changing the sport and creating opportunity and the complainers will always be on the side watching.
Those are facts.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
If you take two families out of NP then you have to take the top two families out of every other program. There is no logic in that
There's also a possibility that other coaches would have made those 4 runners faster than Brosnan did...
Anything's possible, and just as I said previously we'll never know. But the way I look at it is the runners should get the accolades but the coach should be acknowledged as having helped gotten them to their performances. Whether you don't like the coach, think he's a jerk, whatever, the fact is that he coached them and not a hypothetical coach who could have done better.
I don’t think anyone disagrees he’s done a good job training those kids and has had influence on their running success. The issue some people have is the claim he’s the greatest ever and the debate is just how much credit he deserves.
He is very polarizing because he tends to seek the spotlight, doesn’t seem to take any opportunity to deflect praise and has rubbed many of his colleagues wrong with his treatment of the establishment. He is more interested in relationships with pros and college coaches coaches than his fellow high school coaches. His questionable ethics and issues with honesty around his own accomplishments and background have also created some issues with the public’s view of him.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
If you take two families out of NP then you have to take the top two families out of every other program. There is no logic in that
Bad argument.
And if you do, Jesuit, Davis, Great Oak, Loyal, etc would still be great programs. We’ll see how he does when the Youngs and Sahlmans are gone. No use debating it as only time will tell.
I’m not complaining at all and I’m a big fan of the great NP runners, but 4:00/8:40 guys are born and not made. There are only a handful of kids with that level of talent in any one year, and with the Sahlman and Young families choosing to live in NP, he’s had 5 of them. Without just those two families randomly(?) living in NP, his program would be comparable to schools like Jesuit or Davis.
If you take two families out of NP then you have to take the top two families out of every other program. There is no logic in that
Bad argument.
There’s plenty of logic to that. The Sahlman and Young brothers are the best set of 2-3 distance runners in H.S. history and it’s not even close. Brosnan has both families living in his school district. It’s likely that the two top families in Davis are comprised of one good runner. If GF’s family had left Modesto, Riverbank HS would have had no one break 10:00.