The article doesn't give any details whatsoever about what actually happened. But if you are harassing a trans student who is clearly transitioned to female and you are calling her a man over and over and making fun of her, there should be punishment. You can't just allow that. The title of this thread is very misleading. Context of the situation does matter.
What lunatics. They are trying to charge these kids for calling people by what gender they actually are and not what they are pretending to be. https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/kiel-wisconsin-school-charges-kids-for-using-wrong-...
Nobody is going to remember pronouns for every person they meet and you can't force them to. You're a man. You're a Mr. Or a sir. Good day, sir.
Intent goes a long way. I’ve forgotten a student’s pronouns before. You apologize for it and try not to do it again. No one is getting negative consequences for slip ups. They are getting negative consequences because they are either actively trying to refer to people by the wrong gender or, when they do slip up, they throw a hissy fit and act like it’s too hard to have empathy and just say “sorry, my bad.”
If we get invaded by another country, like China, and we are talking about pronouns, we will all get annihilated
As someone else mentioned, I'm confused by your use of "charged" in this context. A school district obviously can't charge anyone with a crime. Anyway, if you repeatedly call someone something that is intended to annoy or offend them after they've asked you not to, that is harassment.
Strange how we expect our kids to put up with treatment that we wouldn't expect other members of our society to put up with. If your wife told you that a group of coworkers repeatedly demean and insult her every single day at work, would your response be "oh, well that's life. Some people are just dicks! Suck it up."? Probably not. But that's basically what we tell kids.
Terrible logic. If a man identifies as a unicorn and other people call him a man and he asks them to call him a unicorn and claims that the repeated use of man is insulting his identity as a unicorn, then that is an example of delusion, not sexual harassment. People arent entitled to live in a delusion and force everyone else to live in their delusion. There is NOTHING offensive about someone telling the truth about you and what is observable to everyone in reality. We need to live in a world of truth. We need to live in a world with free speech.
Intent goes a long way. I’ve forgotten a student’s pronouns before. You apologize for it and try not to do it again. No one is getting negative consequences for slip ups. They are getting negative consequences because they are either actively trying to refer to people by the wrong gender or, when they do slip up, they throw a hissy fit and act like it’s too hard to have empathy and just say “sorry, my bad.”
If we get invaded by another country, like China, and we are talking about pronouns, we will all get annihilated
As someone else mentioned, I'm confused by your use of "charged" in this context. A school district obviously can't charge anyone with a crime. Anyway, if you repeatedly call someone something that is intended to annoy or offend them after they've asked you not to, that is harassment.
Strange how we expect our kids to put up with treatment that we wouldn't expect other members of our society to put up with. If your wife told you that a group of coworkers repeatedly demean and insult her every single day at work, would your response be "oh, well that's life. Some people are just dicks! Suck it up."? Probably not. But that's basically what we tell kids.
Terrible logic. If a man identifies as a unicorn and other people call him a man and he asks them to call him a unicorn and claims that the repeated use of man is insulting his identity as a unicorn, then that is an example of delusion, not sexual harassment. People arent entitled to live in a delusion and force everyone else to live in their delusion. There is NOTHING offensive about someone telling the truth about you and what is observable to everyone in reality. We need to live in a world of truth. We need to live in a world with free speech.
But people aren't identifying as unicorns or animals or extraterrestrials. They're identifying as different genders because they don't fit with the social expectations of manhood or womanhood - the division between the two is an observable part of our society, and is not entirely based in biology.
There are no societal expectations of what it is to be a unicorn... because they don't exist.
Terrible logic. If a man identifies as a unicorn and other people call him a man and he asks them to call him a unicorn and claims that the repeated use of man is insulting his identity as a unicorn, then that is an example of delusion, not sexual harassment. People arent entitled to live in a delusion and force everyone else to live in their delusion. There is NOTHING offensive about someone telling the truth about you and what is observable to everyone in reality. We need to live in a world of truth. We need to live in a world with free speech.
But people aren't identifying as unicorns or animals or extraterrestrials. They're identifying as different genders because they don't fit with the social expectations of manhood or womanhood - the division between the two is an observable part of our society, and is not entirely based in biology.
There are no societal expectations of what it is to be a unicorn... because they don't exist.
They're identifying as different genders because they don't fit with the social expectations of manhood or womanhood - the division between the two is an observable part of our society, and is not entirely based in biology.
What?
If you are born male and identify female, fine.
But don't attack me with charges of sexual harassment if I see someone who is a male and assume he is male.
This is not about equality but about special privileges and treatment.
Terrible logic. If a man identifies as a unicorn and other people call him a man and he asks them to call him a unicorn and claims that the repeated use of man is insulting his identity as a unicorn, then that is an example of delusion, not sexual harassment. People arent entitled to live in a delusion and force everyone else to live in their delusion. There is NOTHING offensive about someone telling the truth about you and what is observable to everyone in reality. We need to live in a world of truth. We need to live in a world with free speech.
But people aren't identifying as unicorns or animals or extraterrestrials. They're identifying as different genders because they don't fit with the social expectations of manhood or womanhood - the division between the two is an observable part of our society, and is not entirely based in biology.
There are no societal expectations of what it is to be a unicorn... because they don't exist.
As someone else mentioned, I'm confused by your use of "charged" in this context. A school district obviously can't charge anyone with a crime. Anyway, if you repeatedly call someone something that is intended to annoy or offend them after they've asked you not to, that is harassment.
Strange how we expect our kids to put up with treatment that we wouldn't expect other members of our society to put up with. If your wife told you that a group of coworkers repeatedly demean and insult her every single day at work, would your response be "oh, well that's life. Some people are just dicks! Suck it up."? Probably not. But that's basically what we tell kids.
Terrible logic. If a man identifies as a unicorn and other people call him a man and he asks them to call him a unicorn and claims that the repeated use of man is insulting his identity as a unicorn, then that is an example of delusion, not sexual harassment. People arent entitled to live in a delusion and force everyone else to live in their delusion. There is NOTHING offensive about someone telling the truth about you and what is observable to everyone in reality. We need to live in a world of truth. We need to live in a world with free speech.
Also I think you should make fun of someone in a wheelchair and then tell them that there is nothing offensive about telling the truth.
But people aren't identifying as unicorns or animals or extraterrestrials. They're identifying as different genders because they don't fit with the social expectations of manhood or womanhood - the division between the two is an observable part of our society, and is not entirely based in biology.
There are no societal expectations of what it is to be a unicorn... because they don't exist.
"They" is not a gender. it is made up nonsense.
'They' can be used as a pronoun. Anyone can be referred to as they.
You would say: "someone has left their bag at the station, they need to return to collect it"
You wouldn't say: "a man or woman has left his or her bag at the station, he or she needs to return to collect it"
'They' can be used as a pronoun. Anyone can be referred to as they.
You would say: "someone has left their bag at the station, they need to return to collect it"
You wouldn't say: "a man or woman has left his or her bag at the station, he or she needs to return to collect it"
That is not a personal pronoun, that is a collective pronoun for a generalized "they". I wish there were a third personal pronoun besides "he" and "she". We should be using "ze" or "xe" for gender neutral, I think they picked the wrong word when they started using "they".
I am a teacher too and have been for 28 years, you are full of sh@#. This is woke overkill. It isn't worthy of any discipline. Just correct the kid and move on teaching.
I am a teacher too and have been for 28 years, you are full of sh@#. This is woke overkill. It isn't worthy of any discipline. Just correct the kid and move on teaching.
We don't even know what happened, and somehow you've reached the conclusion that no disciplinary action is necessary? Maybe disciplinary action is warranted, and maybe it isn't, but the information in the article certainly isn't sufficient to reach any conclusion on this.
LetsRun, where we advocate treating everyone who's not like us like sh*t, and use "woke" (i.e. treating people respectfully) as a slur. And we're saving women's sport, as you can tell from the above.
'They' can be used as a pronoun. Anyone can be referred to as they.
You would say: "someone has left their bag at the station, they need to return to collect it"
You wouldn't say: "a man or woman has left his or her bag at the station, he or she needs to return to collect it"
That is not a personal pronoun, that is a collective pronoun for a generalized "they". I wish there were a third personal pronoun besides "he" and "she". We should be using "ze" or "xe" for gender neutral, I think they picked the wrong word when they started using "they".
It's not too late. "They" should decide whether they want to use "ze" or "xe" and stick to it.