Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.
Notre Dame isn't really that academically prestigious. It is comparable to the better state schools.
He has been cursed for taking the Olympic spot despite being hurt and, as a result, almost making Engels retire.
Craig won't have to retire, but if Teare and Hocker both run the 1500 he is looking pretty unlikely to me to make Team USA with Nuguse, Thompson and even Henry Wynne looking better than him.
Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.
Notre Dame isn't really that academically prestigious. It is comparable to the better state schools.
That's false. Prestige is conferred by those who regard it as a good school and adjust their expectations, ratings, admissions to graduate and professional schools, and hiring preferences accordingly. Notre Dame is prestigious by those standards.
If you wish to argue that it doesn't deserve that prestige, that is your right.
Notre Dame isn't really that academically prestigious. It is comparable to the better state schools.
That's false. Prestige is conferred by those who regard it as a good school and adjust their expectations, ratings, admissions to graduate and professional schools, and hiring preferences accordingly. Notre Dame is prestigious by those standards.
If you wish to argue that it doesn't deserve that prestige, that is your right.
Gotta disagree with you - it's comparable to Michigan, for example. Very good, but not elite. Obviously more than solid for virtually all purposes, but won't get you the respect that HYS/MIT/Stanford degree will.
SMH...they already have 45 distance guys on the roster and spend every penny on distance on the men's side and still only have a small handful of entries at the NCAA Championships every year. Good luck trying to win any team titles in Track & Field. It is clear that they only care about running 4 cross country meets a year.
Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.
I see somebody is delusional. Their roster does not look like other D1 rosters. Their roster doesn't look anything like Texas, Oregon, USC, Arkansas, Ohio State, Iowa or Clemson we are talking Track & Field, not football.
WTH does rhe weather have to do with winning, literally all the schools up north have indoor facilities and the budgets travel south and west in March and April for outdoor meets.
Seems like you have a ton of excuses why they aren't good at track & field.
That's false. Prestige is conferred by those who regard it as a good school and adjust their expectations, ratings, admissions to graduate and professional schools, and hiring preferences accordingly. Notre Dame is prestigious by those standards.
If you wish to argue that it doesn't deserve that prestige, that is your right.
Gotta disagree with you - it's comparable to Michigan, for example. Very good, but not elite. Obviously more than solid for virtually all purposes, but won't get you the respect that HYS/MIT/Stanford degree will.
ND is ranked as the #19 US college for ‘22 by US News and World Report. There are over 4000 colleges in America—I’d say that’s very Elite! UVA, Michigan, UNC and a few UC schools are excellent schools and do rival some of the elite private schools but they are not nearly as difficult to gain acceptance to compared to ND. Michigan offers acceptance to 16,000 freshman each year and has 44,000 students on campus. ND has a total enrollment of 8,000.
US N&WR is not a legit ranking. Before they started doing all these “rankings,” they were an F-list publication. A lot of schools have been busted for supplying bad data to them.
Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.
I see somebody is delusional. Their roster does not look like other D1 rosters. Their roster doesn't look anything like Texas, Oregon, USC, Arkansas, Ohio State, Iowa or Clemson we are talking Track & Field, not football.
WTH does rhe weather have to do with winning, literally all the schools up north have indoor facilities and the budgets travel south and west in March and April for outdoor meets.
Seems like you have a ton of excuses why they aren't good at track & field.
The post said the ND distance runner (XC roster) was a similar size to other D1 schools— because the original post said they have 45 distance runners on the team. That is clearly false-they have about 20 distance runners. And that is a typical size for a D1 XC roster. You are correct-their track roster looks nothing like those other state schools you mention as they could never get most of those kids accepted to the school. The school requires exceptionally high SAT/ACT scores (even for 5 star recruits) and an AP class load from High School. Yes the standards are lowered for athletes, but not drastically. It also costs $70K a year and they only have 12 Track scholarships to offer-so most track athletes are footing the bill. So there is no way they can load up a roster like a state school.
As for WTH does weather have to do with winning national titles — the facts show that it has EVERYTHING to do with winning. 46 of the past 50 years a school from a warm/hot climate has won the NCAA title. Why…because sprinters and jumpers can score more points than distance runners and great sprinters want to run where it’s hot!!! Sprinters run faster in the heat so they want to be at schools in warm climates. The only exceptions since 1970 were Oregon (3 titles) and Stanford (1). Stanford did it by dominating the distance events in 2000 and Oregon has done it because they are essentially sponsored by Nike and have Olympic caliber facilities that NO other school in the country can compare. Cool climate schools know they can’t beat the SEC schools for a title, so they typically pick the middle distance and long distance events to make their mark (because most distance runners don’t want to run in the heat…). Penn State wants to be known for their 800M runners, Villanova wants to dominate the mile, Notre Dame recruits heavily for long distance guys…. Because it’s tough to recruit sprinters to run where it’s cool-even the fastest HS sprinters from cool climates head south to run in college where they know they will run faster in the heat. This is a fact.
US N&WR is not a legit ranking. Before they started doing all these “rankings,” they were an F-list publication. A lot of schools have been busted for supplying bad data to them.
Pick whatever ranking service you want or just look at the acceptance rates and average SAT/ACT scores. Every metric will show that ND is an elite school and ranks higher than any State school. The world is run by the good ol’ boys network still and degrees from the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Notre Dame, Duke, Vanderbilt are still the easiest path to Med School or Wall Street Investment Firms. Personally I believe these schools create “Elitists” who look down on people—but regardless no state schools are considered in this same ‘elite’ category.
