Grant Fisher is Canadian-Born, Not Native to America

LR should just stop tip-toeing around it and just call the athletes white or non-white

Opening of the 14th amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Was Fisher born in the USA? No. Born in Canada.

Was Fisher naturalized in the USA? No. As a citizen at birth, he was never naturalized.

Is citizenship by parentage mentioned anywhere in the 14th amendment? No.

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Stop with your agenda.

The sidebar about what American means seems like a lame distraction. The word has two meanings: one means from the US and the other means from one of the two continents. Many words in English have two meanings and sometimes those meanings are overlapping, e.g., “several” can mean fewer than many or just many; and sometimes they can mean opposite things, e.g., stem” can mean to arrest growth or to grow.

On why LR doesn’t talk about Fisher like Chelimo or Lagat who were foreign born (setting aside momentarily the fact that Fisher has been American by birth), it likely has most to do with the extent of assimilation as perceived by the mostly white crowd here. For example, Mu was born in NJ but even if say she were born in Sudan just before her parents moved here, she’d look and sound the same and LR wouldn’t talk about her any differently. All peoples “other” peoples who look or feel different than themselves, so it’s hardly uncommon.

Fisher would make for a great president of the USA.

Given everything I know about him, see in him, hear in him, and appreciate in him; he has my vote.

The argument that it is more impressive for a white person to run an indoor 12’53” than an East African is bogus (though you may be right that “to most people it is fairly obvious”. It’s just more relatable and therefore exciting to Americans. The assumption that East Africans have an innate advantage in distance is far from established scientific fact. There are enough confounding factors in the thin research on that question that agnosticism or at least skepticism ought to be the scientifically appropriate stance.

Go back to civic class and pay attention.

Here is some thing your but, but, but can’t defend. Read carefully. By Fisher’s mom being a US citizen it would be the same as being born here. Read this:

There are two primary sources of citizenship: birthright citizenship, in which a person is presumed to be a citizen if he or she was born within the territorial limits of the United States, or—providing certain other requirements are met—born abroad to a United States citizen parent,[8][9] and naturalization, a process in which an eligible legal immigrant applies for citizenship and is accepted.[10] These two pathways to citizenship are specified in the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution which reads:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Only because people misperceive it as a diss at Grant Fisher rather than the much deserved poke at Letsrun.

I remember when it seemed like every article on Letsrun seemed hand out a 'First American Born' honorable mention, especially  on NCAAA cross.  It was, as they readily admitted,  really an attempt to give credit to non-african runners w/o wording it that way.  

Mr. Fisher's success just illustrates the absurdity of it all.

Canadian-born record holder   GRANNNTTTT   FISHERRRR!

Yeah, I realized LRC posters are dense but I didn't realize they are THIS dense!

'American' is the primary way to refer people born in the US.  In fact it is the only way in common use.  It is the only country with this distinction.  Therefore, when you say 'American' is primarily refers to people born in the US. 

'American' on its own, w/o adding North or South to it as a modifier to refer to people from the Americas, is so broad it is almost useless as a term and not in common use except in certain specific historical or academic contexts.

But you already now that.

Why is it important to you to believe that Fisher's citizenship (which we all agree is real) is granted specifically by the 14th amendment? It just isn't in there. 

The 14th amendment does not attempt to comprehensively list every pathway to citizenship (notwithstanding your poorly written Wikipedia excerpt). Instead, it forces states to accept that all most people born the US are automatically citizens. Birthright citizenship by parentage already existed, and it wasn't going away. That is what most US citizens had before unrestricted jus soli, and that is what Fisher has.

Jim Thorpe was a true native citizen.

Every other one of us are rejected, Euro-trash mutts masterbating about some perceived Merican' purity.

Laughable

Collectively, the US contains the greatest assemblage of Mutt DNA in the world.

....Your typical Southern hick is filled with black, Jewish, Asian, native, German, Spanish, Gypsy DNA. .... They've just been inbred, kissin cousins since they started running around in white robes with clown hats

No, it's a tedious uninteresting gotcha that's been done a million times before.

Personally I don't see what would be wrong with saying "fastest white guy ever," given that genetics and upbringing obviously matter, but the same whiners would be complaining about that too. Being born in Canada isn't relevant to anything.

Not only are a you but, but, but person, but a but, but, but person rock. Just lying there not know when your beaten.

I just spanked your argument. Nuff said!

42 infants who think if they cry it will turn untrue.

oldold, knox's interpretation of the 14th is exactly right. The Amendment does not attempt to list every scenario in which citizenship exists nor even provide any new pathways to citizenship. The 14th followed the 13th, which many (but nowhere near all) of us know, abolished slavery by making it illegal in the United States. The 14th states that native birth on US soil grants one citizenship.  Well, why does it need to even say this? This was old news, as that already was established law and indeed, the most popular method of gaining citizenship.  

Although the Amendment does other things (commonly discussed in a Criminal Procedure class as opposed to Constitutional Law) the clause in question affirmed that the recently freed former slaves were born in the United States and therefore  citizens. Why wasn't this obvious enough to not need stating?  Because prior to the 13th, slaves were not granted the rights of  citizenship - including voting and access to relief via courts, as well as the more specifically defined rights discussed in the 4th and 5th amendments, etc -  in spite of native birth.

What the 14th Amendment DID NOT do was establish the doctrine of native-born citizenship. That already existed; it makes clear that it applies to those born as slaves. Nor does it create the method of obtaining citizenship at birth that you, oldold, and many posters point out applies to Shorter and Fisher, which is being born on foreign soil to a U.S. citizen parent.  I'm not saying that's not valid law, I'm saying it doesn't come from the 14th Amendment.

Fisher is protected under the 14th Amend because of the title of this thread being born in Canada. The 14th Amend protects citizenship and its rights. Fisher is as American as someone born on US soil.

I’m not an attorney but law is like a web where many other things must be read before the meaning of what is written is fully understood. 

Here is the code that makes persons born out side of the US to American parent(s) as American as someone born here.

uscis.gov

Chapter 3 - U.S. Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309)

A. General Requirements for Acquisition of Citizenship at Birth A person born in the United States who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a

Link:www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-...

Grant Fisher is not a Jew and G. Fisher is not white. He is either AT LEAST 1/4 Native American &/or 1/4 LatinX. White people sure want to expand the definition of whom is white when it fits a desired narrative.