Professor Jordan Peterson explains the dangerous of drinking alcohol in this powerful new video

Ryan Deak, Esq. wrote:

This thread is hilarious because it continues the proven cycle of Peterson fanbois swooping in to defend his bland generalizations and half-baked quasi-philosophical truth bombs when the light is shown on his inherent mucosity and hubris.

Internet group-think alternative thinkers really struggle to see their boi being called out for supposed hot takes, controversial approaches and shallow theses that only ring true for needy minds.

The YT link above is a flacid generalization of "young people." But somehow that's seen as cutting edge thinking for the evolving mind?

I honestly can't even decipher what you're trying to say here. Have a great day.

Ryan Deak, Esq. wrote:

This thread is hilarious because it continues the proven cycle of Peterson fanbois swooping in to defend his bland generalizations and half-baked quasi-philosophical truth bombs when the light is shown on his inherent mucosity and hubris.

Internet group-think alternative thinkers really struggle to see their boi being called out for supposed hot takes, controversial approaches and shallow theses that only ring true for needy minds.

The YT link above is a flacid generalization of "young people." But somehow that's seen as cutting edge thinking for the evolving mind?

I swear 99% of people that comment stuff like this never listen to his lectures all the way through.

He literally talks about hubris all the time. Phrases where he is speaking in generalities, "well, your a fixer-upper if there ever was one". Then he gives examples of where he has done that himself. Drinking and smoking heavily in his 20s. Then he talks about what happens if you give that up. He realized he was smart, so he earnestly pursued a doctorate in Psychology. Keeps going. Becomes a professor. Gets married and also opens a clinical practice while being a professor to support his family.

His "theses" are simple, sure. But he expounds upon them all in depth.

Here, watch this.

His guest literally explains how she hated Peterson and thought he was terrible. Then she actually listened and realized "oh, he has some good things to say". Not like she agrees with everything, but that he makes sound, articulate points.

and yes, I know, the title is extremely "click-bait"-y. Video is by his daughter, who also hosts a podcast.

Yeah, but no. Per my previous assertion: your just a frothing fanboi, attempting to explain away his shadows and evangelize how gr8 he is.

Watched most of the video, caught his hooks and wasn't impressed. He's still just a huckster, preening shallow ideas to people who don't want to be categorized on either end of the polarized political/social spectrum. If you need a schmaltzy guru, like JP, to help you navigate the modern context of life, then you've lost the plot. I don't doubt that he's "empowered" a lot of people and "saved" them, but there are many ways to the top of the mountain. He's just selling a particular brand of alternative thinking and anti-woke anti-sjw anti-groupthink GROUPTHINK that internet-smart-people [most of us here, redditors, some YT commentators] gobble up for its self-fulfilling satiation.

I find it particularly telling when he frames his worldview by categorizing and vilifying elements of modern culture as wrong/hurtful/disingenuous/narcissistic/manipulative/underhanded, and then dictates to his audience that they can/should be open minded, free-thinking, etc etc. If e had a legitimate credibility, character and a real message he wouldn't spend so much time attempting to skewer the fads of society to impress his fans. Shallow people who can't think for themselves are continuously impressed when the wise guy on screen points out "the other" as wrong and "them" as ok/right/protected/free of condemnation.

"Protect us, dear talking man, and help us not feel shame and any ounce of guilt when society wrestles with its own self-realization."

There's no question as to why his star has risen, in parallel to right wing ascendence and anti-lib/woke/progressive messaging. Dude is a clown and the podcast/YT world has given him a perfect avenue to drill into easily-won listeners, like yourself, who think he's spreading goodwill and profound thought to the masses.

lol if you look earlier in the thread I said how I like a lot of what he says, but submit that he isn't perfect and yea, has his faults / says *some* things that are cringy.

He didn't set out originally to do lecture tours all over the place, then do podcasting. I am certain he would have been happy to be a clinical psychologist and professor his whole life, while also pursuing his personality development course. I'm sure he would be more happy to do what he used to. But he's now famous, so that doesn't exactly work anymore.

Sure, I know a lot about him. Its because I listened to all of his biblical lectures. Which, in all honesty, were better than 90% of all church sermons I've ever listened to.

His discussions now have gotten a bit commercialized I guess. So you're going to get a bit of an opinion instead of a carefully crafted lecture. He literally talks about how becoming self-aware is a painful, agonizing thing, but necessary. Because if you don't, you whither and die. What he is saying isn't Truth, but his ideas on how to construct a narrative for your life is pretty darn helpful for people who dont often get that.

The self-help schtick is only half the story and - it's always difficult/slippery to pin criticism on someone preaching self-growth and personal awareness, even if their larger ideology are not fully genuine.

Again, it's not the ideas themselves (individually) that are alarming, but rather the armament of those ideas to pointedly dissect cultural ideas, hypocritically identify right/wrongs and placate questioning/ impressionable minds to feel like they can stand on the sidelines, as "free thinkers," and carry no consequence and no equity in the hard work of societal change and growth. All of what he's leaning into (or pushing away from, depending on your view), and what humanity is wrestling with, takes hard work, pain, sacrifice. My continual impression of his full embodiment is a flavor of the week that checks the right boxes for a particular brand of person, wavering in todays society.

Combine all that with the well-stroked cult of personality, with legions of internet-dependent minds promoting, defending and white washing their guru. Dude's a clown.

Greg wrote:

I don't drink alcohol by choice. I've never had a problem with it on the occasions I did drink. I've watched some of Peterson's stuff. I think he's bright enough but I'm not going to waste 10 minutes listening to what I know to be common sense: Everything in moderation.

This.

Except I think he's an idiot.

By his logic, nobody should have sex ever, because a few people have no self-control and let pursuing sex destroy their lives. The large majority of people can drink a beer, have sex , use drugs and do all many of potentially dangerous things with no danger at all.

His dissertation was on the effects of alcoholism so you can find him talking and writing about it going back to the early 90s. I don't think Peterson is exactly the second coming of Friedrich Nietzsche, but people should know something about his career before calling him an idiot, or claiming falsely that liberals ran him out of a job that he still holds.

Lets Run Snobs Have No Self Awareness wrote:

I Win wrote:

He was, in fact, a tenured Associate Prof. at Harvard and is currently a professor (I assume a Full Professor) at the University of Toronto.

We say this like being a professor means anything...

People like Marc Lamont Hill are "professors"...

I've seen Wal-Mart greeters brighter than Hill... and there's THOUSANDS of these unhinged imbeciles polluting campuses all over the country.

If you say so, buddy.

Jordan Peterson from this video, "about 10% of all drinkers become addicted to alcohol."

Take your chances.

You can't reason with people like Ryan. They are WHOLLY dedicated to being ignorant All while stumbling through their sad lives with an air of superiority. It's absolutely HILARIOUS to watch. They're like people looking down their noses as you while they have crap on their foreheads...

I drink a little wrote:

Greg wrote:

I don't drink alcohol by choice. I've never had a problem with it on the occasions I did drink. I've watched some of Peterson's stuff. I think he's bright enough but I'm not going to waste 10 minutes listening to what I know to be common sense: Everything in moderation.

This.

Except I think he's an idiot.

By his logic, nobody should have sex ever, because a few people have no self-control and let pursuing sex destroy their lives. The large majority of people can drink a beer, have sex , use drugs and do all many of potentially dangerous things with no danger at all.

You formed an opinion on something you literally did not listen to and formed an opinion anyway... and Peterson is the idiot?

LOL!

LOL!

LOL!

What is he supposed to do with his ideas? If his ideas are right, are they not worth defending and articulating?

"What humanity is wrestling with takes hard work, pain, sacrifice" literally his ENTIRE talking point for large swaths of his lectures. He says ideas have consequences all the time. He doesn't take that lightly.

Again, I largely am very skeptical of his medical takes. Things like the all-meat diet, etc. But you're not even attacking the right points.

Ultimately this thread is about him warning of the neurological effects of alcohol. As a neuropsychologist, I think he has the requisite expertise to speak freely on that. Whatever else you want to think, fine. But I simply think you are being downright neurotic of his position and viewpoint

Lets Run Snobs Have No Self Awareness wrote:

You can't reason with people like Ryan. They are WHOLLY dedicated to being ignorant All while stumbling through their sad lives with an air of superiority. It's absolutely HILARIOUS to watch. They're like people looking down their noses as you while they have crap on their foreheads...

I heard one of the few comments I really liked from Jordan Peterson the other day. He said a lot of people like find disgust at lower classes as a way to avoid thinking about problems altogether, instead of understanding any real wisdom.

He stated this very well. I wish I could find the video.

LetsRun commenter wrote:

What is he supposed to do with his ideas? If his ideas are right, are they not worth defending and articulating?

"What humanity is wrestling with takes hard work, pain, sacrifice" literally his ENTIRE talking point for large swaths of his lectures. He says ideas have consequences all the time. He doesn't take that lightly.

Again, I largely am very skeptical of his medical takes. Things like the all-meat diet, etc. But you're not even attacking the right points.

Ultimately this thread is about him warning of the neurological effects of alcohol. As a neuropsychologist, I think he has the requisite expertise to speak freely on that. Whatever else you want to think, fine. But I simply think you are being downright neurotic of his position and viewpoint

He doesn't advocate for an all meat diet. He literally HATES his diet. He has to eat that way because of a medical condition.

The man has a genius IQ and ALL of his position are very well thought out.

Stupid people using out of context sound bites to criticize a genius is hysterical... You're like the local fat guy who's never even jogged dismissing Kipchoge's training plan.

I quit drinking two years ago. I never bring it up unless someone asks me for a drink and usually i just say no but if they persist i just politely say I don’t drink. I quit for my own reasons, if you drink in moderation thats great. I do try and help occasionally some of my friends who I think are really in bad shape with their drinking but that has only been once. My motto is “what you eat don’t make me sh*t”

Peterson has published over 30 peer reviewed papers on the effects of alcohol.

This one is the most cited at 414 times by fellow researchers.

Acute alcohol intoxication and cognitive functioning.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&citation_for_view=wL1F22UAAAAJ:SeFeTyx0c_EC

List of all of his papers:

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ

Lol! I stopped at:

" you probably couldn't have made any worse drug legal."

Yeah, because opiods, crack, and meth are pretty harmless to the average user.