Julien Wanders, 28:59 in Geneva, in race won by supersonic Kibiwott Kandie, 26:51, and F. Kipkoech, 26:57.

LarsL9 wrote:

You can ofcourse do what you want, but honestly its better marketing to say: ah xx ran a great race today! While I was never his coach, I had some months of good conversations with him about training. This was after his great race in Stockholm in 2015. He was a smart guy and really appreciated having talks about how I would set up a program. Glad to see that he is on his way to fulfill his potential, and I hope that both he and his trainer know that if they want to do some sparring about the next steps for him, I am here.

Believe it or not its a much better way of handling it. Its a humble way of inserting yourself into his career, yet shows that you was indeed a part of it. Let the results and your associated athletes speak of themselves.

Just some unsolicited advice from a marketing guru across the border.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Coach JS: (and others)”

Here is what I think happened but please correct me if I’m wrong.

First of all, JS met the Swede, JS, in Eskilstuna during the European junior championships, 2015, which took place in that Swedish city. It was there that JS established contact with the young Italian and offered to advise him in some aspects of his training. The Italian then may have possibly adopted some aspects of the training methods espoused by the Swedish coach. It was not a permanent relationship but just a temporary meeting which resulted in some beneficial aspects of the DANCAN method being adopted by Riva (this is a possibility).

If JS can confirm that this is what happened then we can move on to different things. However, we should all recognize that JS was not Riva’s principle coach, but simply played a part in his early development if that is the case.

Also, I do not know if Riva reads this website, so JS hoping that Riva respond to his plea (to confirm the veracity of his coaching link to the Swede ) might be in vain but who knows?

In my experience, having lived in Italy, after taking an Italian language course in Florence in 1986, most Italian policemen (Riva is contracted with police Athletics) were not very fluent in English, and someone who is not very fluent in English might have trouble reading this website and this might be the case for the Italian runner, Riva.

It pains me to see people having issues on the Internet and I would just like everybody to have friendship and respect for each other. Thank you.

Well Ghost1, here is what actually happened. :) I have checked my long chat/ conversation thread with Pietro on messenger that started the date 26 June 2016 time ( Swedish) , 17:18 . I contacted Pietro to hopefully chat a little when I saw he was a great talent. Of course I knew then he had a coach but wanted to check the situation. In the thread it appears that it was not Pietro himself that used to write and ask for advice and opinions about his workouts and training and so on at LRC , it was his then official coach Alessandro Perrone who amused himself to see what Lets runners thought about his adept`s workouts and training.

In a very long thread with the exact words written by me and Pietro I will reproduce to the reader of this that all I have told in this thread is the truth and WITH THIS PROVE THAT I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH HERE AT LRC.......

And hereby I will show that I was as a mentor/ adviser to him who naturally influenced his further positive development. ( As we all know coach / mentor/ advicer is a very close concept. ) I will ask Pietro if he just can come here and confirm this that I mentored and advised him.

So, as an entertainment I will now write the exact long chat thread between me and Pietro. :)

LarsL9 wrote:

You can ofcourse do what you want, but honestly its better marketing to say: ah xx ran a great race today! While I was never his coach, I had some months of good conversations with him about training. This was after his great race in Stockholm in 2015. He was a smart guy and really appreciated having talks about how I would set up a program. Glad to see that he is on his way to fulfill his potential, and I hope that both he and his trainer know that if they want to do some sparring about the next steps for him, I am here.

Believe it or not its a much better way of handling it. Its a humble way of inserting yourself into his career, yet shows that you was indeed a part of it. Let the results and your associated athletes speak of themselves.

Just some unsolicited advice from a marketing guru across the border.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

LarsL9 wrote:

You can ofcourse do what you want, but honestly its better marketing to say: ah xx ran a great race today! While I was never his coach, I had some months of good conversations with him about training. This was after his great race in Stockholm in 2015. He was a smart guy and really appreciated having talks about how I would set up a program. Glad to see that he is on his way to fulfill his potential, and I hope that both he and his trainer know that if they want to do some sparring about the next steps for him, I am here.

Believe it or not its a much better way of handling it. Its a humble way of inserting yourself into his career, yet shows that you was indeed a part of it. Let the results and your associated athletes speak of themselves.

Just some unsolicited advice from a marketing guru across the border.

Do you know what? I prefer to tell exactly how it was......to be known as a coach that always tells the truth and nothing but the truth is the very best marketing you can do!

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Well Ghost1, here is what actually happened. :) I have checked my long chat/ conversation thread with Pietro on messenger that started the date 26 June 2016 time ( Swedish) , 17:18 . I contacted Pietro to hopefully chat a little when I saw he was a great talent. Of course I knew then he had a coach but wanted to check the situation. In the thread it appears that it was not Pietro himself that used to write and ask for advice and opinions about his workouts and training and so on at LRC , it was his then official coach Alessandro Perrone who amused himself to see what Lets runners thought about his adept`s workouts and training.

In a very long thread with the exact words written by me and Pietro I will reproduce to the reader of this that all I have told in this thread is the truth and WITH THIS PROVE THAT I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH HERE AT LRC.......

And hereby I will show that I was as a mentor/ adviser to him who naturally influenced his further positive development. ( As we all know coach / mentor/ advicer is a very close concept. ) I will ask Pietro if he just can come here and confirm this that I mentored and advised him.

So, as an entertainment I will now write the exact long chat thread between me and Pietro. :)

26th June 2016, time 17:18 (Sweden)

" - Hello Pietro! :) This is COACH J.S......You seem to be really talented......Italian junior champ 5000m......thats great. I never forget the fantastic Alberto Cova from Italy. Maybe you are the new star from Italy!? Of course I understand you have a good coach to assist you......but if you want to ask me something just send a message. Good luck in future! COACH J.S :)

- Thanks Jan.But the Italian title is just one thing I did . I won European junior championship in 10000m last year.

And 8th place 2 days later in 5000m. And 10th at European cross country.Italian title also in cross country. Thanks for your proposal. :)

- Yes, congrats to the European 10000-gold . :)

- But now I must decline, maybe in the future. :)

I saw you train very good athletes but now I`m still too young. Anyway, thank you :)

- But as I told you I didn`t think you are without a coach........are you?

- I have a coach :)

- Of course! That I took for sure :) . Italy got many great coaches through the years......Canova is the most known.

- Yes he is. Gigliotti and Ghidini too.

- Yes, I just say to you that you cn ask me anything about running if you like to. :)

- Thank you, you are very kind :)

2016- 07_02 time 22:31

- Good evening coach. May ask you a suggest?....suggestion.

- Hello Pietro! ....hope you are fine. As I told you you can ask me anything.....what is on your mind my friend? :)

- What time can I run with these workouts in 10000? 5 x 2000 stop 2' , 5:53 -5:50- 5:49-5:49 -5:39 .

4 x 3000 ( no spike) 9:03- 9:02- 9:02- 8:58 stop 2 '

5000-4000-3000 stop 3 ' ( no spike) 15:20-11:59 - 8.48

Thank you. Just to know what time to expect. Thank you :)

- Definitely around 29 min ......maybe SUB 29 min .....I am absolutely sure!

- Thank you coach! I`m very pleased to hear that.

- Just like a funny example I show you how your training paces with me as a coach :) An example week :

- Ok, let`s see

- monday 15 km at 3:50 min/ km

tuesday : maxVO2 pace intervals 20 x 400m at 67 sec . Recovery wait until 120 beats/ min ( 60 % of max heartrate)

wednesday: 12 km at 3:50 min/ km

thursday 25 km at 3:50 min/ km

friday : 10 km at 3:50 min/ km

saturday threshold intervals 6 x 1600m at 4:56 min , rec= 120 beats/ min

sunday REST !

Would like you to join my group here on Facebook ' COACH J.S - DANCAN ...... ' :)

- Very interesting

- It is :) You can there follow many of the workouts of my topclass runners! :) And of course you are most welcome as an Europe junior champ..... :)

- Thank you coach. It`s a pleasure.

- An honor for me with you in the group! Thanks! :)

- Goodnight coach. And thank you.

- Goodnight .......I watch also now the thrilling football match Italy- Germany ....I hope for Italy! :)

- Me too of course, but without Verratti and Marchisio in the midfield it`s a hard match.

- It is indeed....Germany is like a machine.

-It is.

2016-07-20 time 01: 52

- Thanks for your suggest coach :) it was a hard race because it was not so regular.

- Yes, and it was a very uneven race with those African guys running 27:25 ! Incredible!But you Pietro will be a sub 29 min runner for sure......and in a couple of years you can break sub 28 min.....no doubt! Keep on the good running and good luck in future :)

- Thank you !!

- :)

.......will continue tomorrow.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

26th June 2016, time 17:18 (Sweden)

" - Hello Pietro! :) This is COACH J.S......You seem to be really talented......Italian junior champ 5000m......thats great. I never forget the fantastic Alberto Cova from Italy. Maybe you are the new star from Italy!? Of course I understand you have a good coach to assist you......but if you want to ask me something just send a message. Good luck in future! COACH J.S :)

- Thanks Jan.But the Italian title is just one thing I did . I won European junior championship in 10000m last year.

And 8th place 2 days later in 5000m. And 10th at European cross country.Italian title also in cross country. Thanks for your proposal. :)

- Yes, congrats to the European 10000-gold . :)

- But now I must decline, maybe in the future. :)

I saw you train very good athletes but now I`m still too young. Anyway, thank you :)

- But as I told you I didn`t think you are without a coach........are you?

- I have a coach :)

- Of course! That I took for sure :) . Italy got many great coaches through the years......Canova is the most known.

- Yes he is. Gigliotti and Ghidini too.

- Yes, I just say to you that you cn ask me anything about running if you like to. :)

- Thank you, you are very kind :)

2016- 07_02 time 22:31

- Good evening coach. May ask you a suggest?....suggestion.

- Hello Pietro! ....hope you are fine. As I told you you can ask me anything.....what is on your mind my friend? :)

- What time can I run with these workouts in 10000? 5 x 2000 stop 2' , 5:53 -5:50- 5:49-5:49 -5:39 .

4 x 3000 ( no spike) 9:03- 9:02- 9:02- 8:58 stop 2 '

5000-4000-3000 stop 3 ' ( no spike) 15:20-11:59 - 8.48

Thank you. Just to know what time to expect. Thank you :)

- Definitely around 29 min ......maybe SUB 29 min .....I am absolutely sure!

- Thank you coach! I`m very pleased to hear that.

- Just like a funny example I show you how your training paces with me as a coach :) An example week :

- Ok, let`s see

- monday 15 km at 3:50 min/ km

tuesday : maxVO2 pace intervals 20 x 400m at 67 sec . Recovery wait until 120 beats/ min ( 60 % of max heartrate)

wednesday: 12 km at 3:50 min/ km

thursday 25 km at 3:50 min/ km

friday : 10 km at 3:50 min/ km

saturday threshold intervals 6 x 1600m at 4:56 min , rec= 120 beats/ min

sunday REST !

Would like you to join my group here on Facebook ' COACH J.S - DANCAN ...... ' :)

- Very interesting

- It is :) You can there follow many of the workouts of my topclass runners! :) And of course you are most welcome as an Europe junior champ..... :)

- Thank you coach. It`s a pleasure.

- An honor for me with you in the group! Thanks! :)

- Goodnight coach. And thank you.

- Goodnight .......I watch also now the thrilling football match Italy- Germany ....I hope for Italy! :)

- Me too of course, but without Verratti and Marchisio in the midfield it`s a hard match.

- It is indeed....Germany is like a machine.

-It is.

2016-07-20 time 01: 52

- Thanks for your suggest coach :) it was a hard race because it was not so regular.

- Yes, and it was a very uneven race with those African guys running 27:25 ! Incredible!But you Pietro will be a sub 29 min runner for sure......and in a couple of years you can break sub 28 min.....no doubt! Keep on the good running and good luck in future :)

- Thank you !!

- :)

.......will continue tomorrow.

Thread continue.........

2016-12-14 time 14:13 "- Hi coach,how are u?I`d need some advices. I have been injured for 20 days for my foot bone and now I have begun to run. I missed European cross championship......

Now my goal is to run under 29`00 in April.I want your opinion.......what kind of session should I do just before that event to understand if I`m able to run 28`50 ? Cheers :)

- Hello Pietro.....if you do for example 20 x 400m at 66-67 sec with at most 90 sec rest and 6-10 x 800m at 2:12- 2:13 in combination with threshold intervals or sustained tempo run 5-10 km at 3:00min / km .......then you know exactly you are ready for 28:50 . Cheers :)

- Thank you :)

- your welcome . Good luck :)

- If you haven`t done it yet just test my special recovery to wait easy walking between reps until back to 120 bpm .......it`s super effective......gives the body the exact individual rest it needs before next rep.Just give it a try once to see how your body react and how you feel about it. Cheers!

- Okey,will do it.

2017-02-19 time 14:31 (Sweden)

- Hi Pietro! Long time ......How are your shape now? Have the wintertraining gone fine? :)

- I had another little injury in January but now it`s fine. i`m gonna join Sienna`s Tuscany camp

( the base of the strongest Uganda`s runners like Jacob Kiplimo ) There I will train to attempt 29`00 wall. At the half April I will run the10000.

-Fine ......does it seem like you have developed during the winter? To break 29 min you have to be able to run intervals at 66-67 sec/ 400m ......and threshold at 3:00-3:02 min/ km . Good luck with the season......I will follow you! Cheers! :)

- Yesterday I ran a vo2 max test on 3 km , 8`24 on treadmill , 77 vo2max. I ran 20 x 400m rest 1`min in 67'' without spikes on grass. And 10 x 1000 in 3'00 rest 30/ 45'' ( until 120 bpm )

- 67 sec vo2max ......it seems you are now close to abilty to run close to 29:00 min .....If I should do an advice out from this I should have you to run 66-67 sec/ 400m at maxVO2 intervals and recovery = 120 bpm and longer intervals and sustained threshold runs at 3:00-3:02 min/ km also with recovery = wait until 120 bpm .....you will break 29:00 this year! :)

-I will update you about some workouts.For the other workouts I did they were fartleks on cross country tracks , like 45' 2' fast- 1' medium.

-Nice! :)

2017-04-01 time 23:15 ( Sweden )

- Today I tried your recovery. Great feelings and good effort.Coming back from injury I ran 12 x 400m rest around 60 sec in 65.Without spikes with heavy wind. Your method is interesting!

( magic entertainment will continue tomorrow...... :) )

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

26th June 2016, time 17:18 (Sweden)

" - Hello Pietro! :) This is COACH J.S......You seem to be really talented......Italian junior champ 5000m......thats great. I never forget the fantastic Alberto Cova from Italy. Maybe you are the new star from Italy!? Of course I understand you have a good coach to assist you......but if you want to ask me something just send a message. Good luck in future! COACH J.S :)

- Thanks Jan.But the Italian title is just one thing I did . I won European junior championship in 10000m last year.

And 8th place 2 days later in 5000m. And 10th at European cross country.Italian title also in cross country. Thanks for your proposal. :)

- Yes, congrats to the European 10000-gold . :)

- But now I must decline, maybe in the future. :)

I saw you train very good athletes but now I`m still too young. Anyway, thank you :)

- But as I told you I didn`t think you are without a coach........are you?

- I have a coach :)

- Of course! That I took for sure :) . Italy got many great coaches through the years......Canova is the most known.

- Yes he is. Gigliotti and Ghidini too.

- Yes, I just say to you that you cn ask me anything about running if you like to. :)

- Thank you, you are very kind :)

2016- 07_02 time 22:31

- Good evening coach. May ask you a suggest?....suggestion.

- Hello Pietro! ....hope you are fine. As I told you you can ask me anything.....what is on your mind my friend? :)

- What time can I run with these workouts in 10000? 5 x 2000 stop 2' , 5:53 -5:50- 5:49-5:49 -5:39 .

4 x 3000 ( no spike) 9:03- 9:02- 9:02- 8:58 stop 2 '

5000-4000-3000 stop 3 ' ( no spike) 15:20-11:59 - 8.48

Thank you. Just to know what time to expect. Thank you :)

- Definitely around 29 min ......maybe SUB 29 min .....I am absolutely sure!

- Thank you coach! I`m very pleased to hear that.

- Just like a funny example I show you how your training paces with me as a coach :) An example week :

- Ok, let`s see

- monday 15 km at 3:50 min/ km

tuesday : maxVO2 pace intervals 20 x 400m at 67 sec . Recovery wait until 120 beats/ min ( 60 % of max heartrate)

wednesday: 12 km at 3:50 min/ km

thursday 25 km at 3:50 min/ km

friday : 10 km at 3:50 min/ km

saturday threshold intervals 6 x 1600m at 4:56 min , rec= 120 beats/ min

sunday REST !

Would like you to join my group here on Facebook ' COACH J.S - DANCAN ...... ' :)

- Very interesting

- It is :) You can there follow many of the workouts of my topclass runners! :) And of course you are most welcome as an Europe junior champ..... :)

- Thank you coach. It`s a pleasure.

- An honor for me with you in the group! Thanks! :)

- Goodnight coach. And thank you.

- Goodnight .......I watch also now the thrilling football match Italy- Germany ....I hope for Italy! :)

- Me too of course, but without Verratti and Marchisio in the midfield it`s a hard match.

- It is indeed....Germany is like a machine.

-It is.

2016-07-20 time 01: 52

- Thanks for your suggest coach :) it was a hard race because it was not so regular.

- Yes, and it was a very uneven race with those African guys running 27:25 ! Incredible!But you Pietro will be a sub 29 min runner for sure......and in a couple of years you can break sub 28 min.....no doubt! Keep on the good running and good luck in future :)

- Thank you !!

- :)

.......will continue tomorrow.

Thread continue.........

2016-12-14 time 14:13 "- Hi coach,how are u?I`d need some advices. I have been injured for 20 days for my foot bone and now I have begun to run. I missed European cross championship......

Now my goal is to run under 29`00 in April.I want your opinion.......what kind of session should I do just before that event to understand if I`m able to run 28`50 ? Cheers :)

- Hello Pietro.....if you do for example 20 x 400m at 66-67 sec with at most 90 sec rest and 6-10 x 800m at 2:12- 2:13 in combination with threshold intervals or sustained tempo run 5-10 km at 3:00min / km .......then you know exactly you are ready for 28:50 . Cheers :)

- Thank you :)

- your welcome . Good luck :)

- If you haven`t done it yet just test my special recovery to wait easy walking between reps until back to 120 bpm .......it`s super effective......gives the body the exact individual rest it needs before next rep.Just give it a try once to see how your body react and how you feel about it. Cheers!

- Okey,will do it.

2017-02-19 time 14:31 (Sweden)

- Hi Pietro! Long time ......How are your shape now? Have the wintertraining gone fine? :)

- I had another little injury in January but now it`s fine. i`m gonna join Sienna`s Tuscany camp

( the base of the strongest Uganda`s runners like Jacob Kiplimo ) There I will train to attempt 29`00 wall. At the half April I will run the10000.

-Fine ......does it seem like you have developed during the winter? To break 29 min you have to be able to run intervals at 66-67 sec/ 400m ......and threshold at 3:00-3:02 min/ km . Good luck with the season......I will follow you! Cheers! :)

- Yesterday I ran a vo2 max test on 3 km , 8`24 on treadmill , 77 vo2max. I ran 20 x 400m rest 1`min in 67'' without spikes on grass. And 10 x 1000 in 3'00 rest 30/ 45'' ( until 120 bpm )

- 67 sec vo2max ......it seems you are now close to abilty to run close to 29:00 min .....If I should do an advice out from this I should have you to run 66-67 sec/ 400m at maxVO2 intervals and recovery = 120 bpm and longer intervals and sustained threshold runs at 3:00-3:02 min/ km also with recovery = wait until 120 bpm .....you will break 29:00 this year! :)

-I will update you about some workouts.For the other workouts I did they were fartleks on cross country tracks , like 45' 2' fast- 1' medium.

-Nice! :)

2017-04-01 time 23:15 ( Sweden )

- Today I tried your recovery. Great feelings and good effort.Coming back from injury I ran 12 x 400m rest around 60 sec in 65.Without spikes with heavy wind. Your method is interesting!

( magic entertainment will continue tomorrow...... :) )

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

chat thread cotinue....... 2017-04-07 time 23:57

"- Hi! How are u ? Just an update on my trainings. My coach made me run today 4 x 2000m, rec 1000m at 4'00 min ( without spikes) at threshold pace.Is it equal to compare it with a 120 bpm recovery?

- Hi Pietro! Nice to hear from you..... :) ...........Nope! You can`t compare 1000 at 4:00 min with a walking rest down to 120 bpm......but it`s also good.......but not the best........there are a lot of coaches who believes you must run easy between reps ......they think like this : you can`t stop in a race and therefore you have to run slowly between reps to teach the body to move the entire race.......but ........I separate race and training! Both needs race pace but in training it`s best for the heart to recover down to 60% of max heartrate, about 120 beats/ min Try one more year with your present coach .......if you won`t reach the times you want to , I think you should test me and DANCAN full out.I can guarantee success out from all the runners I have coached so far.What was your pace at the 2000 at threshold?

- 2'58

- Very good threshold pace ! Have a nice weekend Pietro and good luck with your season! Cheers! :)

Have you been to St Moritz sometime or another high altitude in the Alps region ?I trained in St Moritz 1999 and liked it very much. :)

- Yes I had . There after world u20 championship I ran 20 x 400 67'' 120 bpm rest.And some tempos at 3'15 min/ km pace.

-Nice! Did you like the nature and surroundings there? I just loved it .... :)

- Yes I did. It`s wonderful.I stayed in Livigno and trained in St Moritz.

- Nice! Have a fine weekend now ..... Cheers! :)

- You too!Cheers!

2017-04-15 time 13:37

- Hi! Happy Easter ! Just an update....i ran e threshold workouts ( without spikes) like 10x 1000 at 120 bpm rest ( maximum 90'' ) at 2'57 and workouts like 10 x 600 rest 120 bpm ( 90''/ 100'') at 1'39 no spikes also........easy distance between 3'40/ 3'45 , 125 km per week.

- That`s very good Pietro! Now the great times will arrive soon .....Cheers! :)

- Hoping so!! First race 3000 m on 29th. Specific workout to suggest?

- Yes, try one repetition 7-8 x 400m at 60 sec with recovery down to 100 bpm and one interval 12 x 400m at 63-64 sec with recovery down to 120 bpm .....Good luck! :)

- Thanks! Goal time ? 8'05/8'10 ?

- Goal time 8.00 ! "

.......will continue :)