Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

This is why, from the beginning, I felt she was guilty. No way does she eat 3/4 of pork offal burrito before saying enough is enough.

suspicion in the ignition wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Really? Who had similar test results to Shelby's that got off the hook? .

Ajee Wilson claimed tainted meat and had her suspension overturned.

with similar test results

heyiooooobuddy wrote:

I could be getting my facts wrong, but didn't Shelby and her team say that the sample she gave in January (the B sample) didn't have nandrolone detected? But clearly if you look at the report they explicitly say:

"On 15 January 2021, the Athlete exercised her right to the analysis of her B-Sample. On

27 January 2021, the findings of the A-Sample were confirmed."

Which would imply that she tested positive for nandrolone twice. How embarrassing for her team and her to blatantly lie if so. Really puts all of BTC in question here.

I think you might be reading this incorrectly. She didn't have a second pee test in January that came back positive. She had the B sample tested and it confirmed the A sample... meaning that the A and B sample, both of which were taken in December, confirmed that the A sample was not contaminated and that the results were accurately determined. The January sample is not the B sample.

suspicion in the ignition wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Really? Who had similar test results to Shelby's that got off the hook? .

Ajee Wilson claimed tainted meat and had her suspension overturned.

"Similar test results" only if you understand nothing about biology. Wilson tested positive for an extremely low concentration of trenbolone, not nandrolone. Trenbolone is a commonly used drug for cattle fattening. Nandrolone is not used for commercial cattle or pork raising. The particular drug and concentration of that drug that Wilson was positive for were consistent with what would be expected from consuming tainted meat.

I wonder how long she has been doping

you are what you eat wrote:

suspicion in the ignition wrote:

Ajee Wilson claimed tainted meat and had her suspension overturned.

"Similar test results" only if you understand nothing about biology. Wilson tested positive for an extremely low concentration of trenbolone, not nandrolone. Trenbolone is a commonly used drug for cattle fattening. Nandrolone is not used for commercial cattle or pork raising. The particular drug and concentration of that drug that Wilson was positive for were consistent with what would be expected from consuming tainted meat.

Sure, but he didn't say, "Who had the exact same situation?" I think going with the tainted meat excuse, which worked for someone else and adapting it to your own situation qualifies as similar. Of course every situation is different.

suspicion in the ignition wrote:

you are what you eat wrote:

"Similar test results" only if you understand nothing about biology. Wilson tested positive for an extremely low concentration of trenbolone, not nandrolone. Trenbolone is a commonly used drug for cattle fattening. Nandrolone is not used for commercial cattle or pork raising. The particular drug and concentration of that drug that Wilson was positive for were consistent with what would be expected from consuming tainted meat.

Sure, but he didn't say, "Who had the exact same situation?" I think going with the tainted meat excuse, which worked for someone else and adapting it to your own situation qualifies as similar. Of course every situation is different.

He didn't say the exact same situation but he did say similar, and Wilson's is not similar. The concentration aspect alone makes it significantly different.

Rojo why in the world are you more fixated on the carbon in her shoes, or lack thereof, over the carbon in her dope? The report literally shows that the drug can't come from pork via carbon analysis and you're over here blathering about shoes.

Here's something that jumps out at me: In her defense, Shelby Houlihan testified that she supports incarceration for dopers.

Yet, Shelby Houlihan did not sign the Clean Sport Pledge, which obliges professional athletes to pay a $25,000 fine if found guilty of a doping offense. Then-BTC teammate Gwen Jorgensen is a signatory, so it's not likely that Shelby simply did not know the pledge existed.

If athletes want the benefit of the doubt in situations such as these, it would be easier to offer if they would put their money where their mouth is before they are at an appeals hearing following a positive test result.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. People like Kara Goucher, Chris McClung, Shanna Burnette, Emma Coburn and so so many others need to own up to their bias now. I'm sorry it's awkward, but when you are an athlete who stands up for clean sport, you need to stand up even in situations that make you uncomfortable. I've been a fan of Kara and Emma for years, but I've lost respect for both over these last few months. Emma is happy to call Ruth Jebet, a teenager who was clearly exploited by her home and representing country....someone who might even be in trouble since no one can find her...a "cheater" and say that her "bronze shines brighter than her gold". Like...what? Girl you lived a fairy tale life in a mountain surrounded by family friends and support. Who knows what Ruth has been through in her life.... your whole life shines brighter!! And with Shelby? Nothing.

Kara names names, freely. Galen. Mo. Christian Coleman. She will call them out. But Shelby? Nothing. Nothing for months. Where is the scrutiny? Where is the doubt? Of all the most infuriating parts about this was the lack of consistency when it came to someone they "liked".

Oh and Courtney and her sister can kick rocks with their "authentic" "authentic" racist BS. Y'all don't chop meat in the midwest? Maybe it's good you moved to Portland then.

You comment about the hair sample. My reading is that the hair samples were only tested for metabolites associated with injection of nandralone and not oral administration and the expert commenting on the hair samples accepted this point.

Carbon Isotopes wrote:

Rojo why in the world are you more fixated on the carbon in her shoes, or lack thereof, over the carbon in her dope? The report literally shows that the drug can't come from pork via carbon analysis and you're over here blathering about shoes.

I take it he's raising the issue that still leaves him in doubt about the guilty verdict. It's interesting that someone appears to have integrity not to denigrate the spirit of the sport with shoes but would dope. That doesn't mean she's innocent (because there's no other explanation that currently fits the data), but it is a reason that some people may not be sold.

^This! Nothing else needs to be said. Next time you come up with a lame excuse, do your homework first

LRC readers may recall two long posts I wrote on the Houlihan case, "The Railroading of Shelby Houlihan" and "Burritogate All Comes Down to Corn". While it is disappointing they have allowed the ruling to stand, I feel a sense of relief there is no new evidence or "smoking gun" in the report that undermines any of my previous arguments or observations. There are, however, several new pieces of information and World Athletics' case relies heavily on the testimony of expert witness John McGlone, which I will post about later. Nevertheless, it is obvious their own due process was not followed and that it is entirely possible Houlihan's positive sample was the result of tainted pork consumption.

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Gibstar wrote:

You comment about the hair sample. My reading is that the hair samples were only tested for metabolites associated with injection of nandralone and not oral administration and the expert commenting on the hair samples accepted this point.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Carbon Isotopes wrote:

Rojo why in the world are you more fixated on the carbon in her shoes, or lack thereof, over the carbon in her dope? The report literally shows that the drug can't come from pork via carbon analysis and you're over here blathering about shoes.

Rojo literally cannot distinguish facts from opinions.

This is tough. Seems like they had no evidence that she consumed organ meat except possibly stomach, which has never been tested in the literature for its nandrolone concentrations.

Going with the “cryptorchid” defense seems a bit wild. There’s no evidence out there to support her on that front. Why not claim the food truck bought sketchy meat that wasn’t properly inspected. I’m guessing the food truck has its ducks in a row or refused to say much.

The report definitely shows that it could come from pork, they just didn’t agree that the US pork supply was likely -at all- to contain enough parts of intact boar to make a positive test likely.

If she was taking a contaminated supplement, man, what a poor decision. Even as a crappy college athlete they were ALWAYS telling us how supplements are produced with poor QC and can pop you.

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much m ore likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

Why in the hell if you are looking to cut corners wouldn't you wear the Carbon Plates?.

If you go back and watch the 2019 World Championships, Shelby is wearing the Nike Zoom Victory 2.

This model actually has “Half-length Pebax® plate with carbon fiber mid-foot shank offers an aggressive and responsive lift off the track for middle-distance to distance events.”

Whereas the Dragonfly has NO carbon fiber plate in them. The newest Zoom Victory (2020-2021 model) does indeed have a plate, but that shoe has not been hyped up nearly as much as the Dragonfly.

So for Shelby, she says she’s refusing to wear a shoe that has a carbon fiber plate (and the Dragonfly does NOT) while the shoe she has worn at Worlds (Zoom Victory 2) actually DOES have a plate.

I really wonder when her last legit clean race was?