Cam Newton Cut by Patriots

there you go exaggerating wrote:

Dan Fouts was a highly skilled QB but he had flaws. Absolutely no mobility and Fouts took significant risk with the football. There are old AFL QBs who also have bad interception numbers. Back in 1960's, AFL was a gimmick league. Old AFL QB's were encouraged to throw bombs down field in order to show AFL was different from NFL. Fouts did not play in that era. Dan Fouts threw 242 interceptions. His interceptions are a significant reason why his team never went to Superbowl. Fouts is in Hall of Fame. Dan Fouts is not underrated.

Fouts took chances because that was the offense he was asked to run. Air Coryell

and all that. High risk/high reward was the only way they had a hope of winning.

llort_vbo wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

It’s been interesting seeing these hybrid QBs over the years fly high at first then come crashing down to the reality of the physical toil of the NFL.

RG3

Cam

Who else?

Alan

IMO Cam >>> RG3, but neither was known for their ability to read an NFL defense. They always say that the NFL is a league of imitation. If you don’t continuously change and innovate, you’ll get figured out in a hurry.

Let’s be honest. Guys like cam and RG3 are great athletes but they don’t have the intelligence to be great NFL quarterbacks.

the macdaddy og yo wrote:

An interesting chart here:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

Something that stuck out…

Cam and Russ Wilson are the only QBs in the top ~70 on this list with less than 10 years in the league. Talk about making your mark in a short period of time.

- Rookie of the year

- MVP (71% of NFL MVPs are in the HoF)

- Most rushing attempts (1071) and touchdowns (70) by a quarterback ever

- Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in a season (14)

The longevity wasn’t there, but the fire burned bright. Cam changed the game.

Rushing touchdowns are not a big deal. Cam just punched it in instead of the running back. No value add. You already have a running back. You need your qb to do his job, to understand the offense, the opposing defense, and accurately deliver balls on time. Cam really wasn’t very good at any of that.

You think 6’5”, 250 lbs and mobile isn’t an asset in short yardage situations?

Now he can start his fashion outlet

llort_vbo wrote:

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

Rushing touchdowns are not a big deal. Cam just punched it in instead of the running back. No value add. You already have a running back. You need your qb to do his job, to understand the offense, the opposing defense, and accurately deliver balls on time. Cam really wasn’t very good at any of that.

You think 6’5”, 250 lbs and mobile isn’t an asset in short yardage situations?

Sure, that's nice. But to be successful as a team you want your quarterback to do the job of a quarterback, which he doesn't do very well.

Runningart2004 wrote:

It’s been interesting seeing these hybrid QBs over the years fly high at first then come crashing down to the reality of the physical toil of the NFL.

RG3

Cam

Who else?

Alan

Kaep

Tebow

Manziel

Mariota

Etc.

Once you get hit enough in the NFL, the dual threat is gone. If you can’t function from the pocket, you won’t last.

POKE IT POKE POKE wrote:

Sure, that's nice. But to be successful as a team you want your quarterback to do the job of a quarterback, which he doesn't do very well.

You’re really sure that you mean the bolded part and it’s not just that you don’t like the guy? You don’t lead your team to a SB berth and a 15-1 record without doing your job well. He was league MVP. I would say that he was a very good to excellent QB who took a lot of abuse and wore down. I think he has a chance to be a starter again, but to match his previous level of success, he’s going to have to change his preparation and approach. That doesn’t mean that he wasn’t previously successful at being a QB.

RGIII, Vick. The whole game now is geared around being an accurate passer, if you can't do that, you're never going to last in the NFL no matter how superior of an "athlete" you are.

they're filthy wrote:

Belicheat and the Cheating Cheatriots need a new cheating quarterback since they lost Bradycheat.

Do football fans still believe the deflated ball myth?

This is like old people thinking being cold makes you sick lmao

U. Raynuss wrote:

RGIII, Vick. The whole game now is geared around being an accurate passer, if you can't do that, you're never going to last in the NFL no matter how superior of an "athlete" you are.

This is faxx. Skill trumps athleticism in every sport except.. athletics. Some sports also have size components as well, like NFL and the NBA, but skill is by far the most important aspect of most sports.

This thread reeks of racism. Well done LRC. Well done.

came here for running, but have this wrote:

This thread reeks of racism. Well done LRC. Well done.

No it doesn't. Sad that anytime you say anything negative about a black person it is considered racism.

Sorry, hate to break it to you but Cam did not perform well, last year he was historically bad at the QB position. They found a better guy, if they looked hard enough I'm pretty sure they could have found a better girl. Goodnight Cam, it's over, you are done.

Have you been watching recently? Like last year and this pre season? It is 2021, not 2015. The guy is done, he can't throw and he really can't read a defense, looks at times like he hasn't ever played the position before.

BTW, he lost the Super Bowl that he led his team to, and didn't try to recover his own fumble, just doesn't want it enough.

joed|rt wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

It’s been interesting seeing these hybrid QBs over the years fly high at first then come crashing down to the reality of the physical toil of the NFL.

RG3

Cam

Who else?

Alan

Kaep

Tebow

Manziel

Mariota

Etc.

Once you get hit enough in the NFL, the dual threat is gone. If you can’t function from the pocket, you won’t last.

Add Vince Young to the top of any list.

And you are right. I'll add other factors:

1. With a few exceptions, NFL defenses figure you out and will mostly prevent you from running through use of scheme

2. NFL defenses are very fast. Johnny football looked awesome running past college linebackers. But NFL linebackers are faster than Johnny football. That 40 awesome yard broken play scramble in college is tackled at the line of scrimmage in the NFL. Now it's third and ten and you have to complete a pass when the defense knows your passing. Not good for them.

came here for running, but have this wrote:

This thread reeks of racism. Well done LRC. Well done.

It's really not.

NFL QB's often have a surprisingly short "shelf life", and sometimes it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's wrong, because

it's not always due to a physical injury per se.

It's easier to explain with RB's, because they are getting banged up so often, if you lose your "explosion" your career often goes with it, especially if you are a marginal talent. You hit that hole a split second too late and instead of a 5 yard gain it's a no gain or maybe a few yard gain.

It's a little more mysterious with QB's. I think some of them get "gun shy", don't want to stand in the pocket and take the hits anymore, or with some they just make a ton of money and lose motivation to put in the work.

And if they are a "hybrid", i.e., somewhat dependent upon their running threat, once they lose that their effectiveness plummets because defenses don't have to respect that they may take off and run.

"No value added" lmao. As my first post said, I love watching runners try to discuss other sports.

You know that - by putting him as the running back - they have an 11 on 11 shot at the end zone versus 10 on 11, right? Like, the literal definition of adding value...

Can't read defenses or understand an offense? Based on what? Do you know how difficult it is to run an RPO or the read-option? At the very least.. you've never seen this epic video?

Try again, runner boy.

came here for running, but have this wrote:

This thread reeks of racism. Well done LRC. Well done.

Bruh why are you replying to me? What the hell did i say? 🤣🤣😭

Another vegan wing nut bites the dust. "Don't eat meat? Get beat!"