Monster result, Mboma (female) runs 9.86 final split for Namibia in World juniors 4 by 100 meters women in Nairobi

TrackCoach wrote:

Based on these athletes age and the fact they have only been training for 2 years suggest they are going to rewrite the records books. I would not be surprised to 10.50 (100m) and a sub-21 (200m ) by Paris. Anyone who has coached high school boys knows what I am talking about. Their progress over the 2-3 years will be similar to state champ high school boy going to mid cap college program. What the world will find out in a couple years is what talented DSD athlete is capable of. Both of these athletes are more talented than Caster. Mboma could beat Elaine T-H, SAFP and Gabby Thomsas in a 200m right now if she knew how to start.

200m and possibly 100m will be added to the "restricted" events before Paris.

And as more and more events are added to the "restricted" category, CAS will eventually allow WA to extend the restriction to all events.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

200m and possibly 100m will be added to the "restricted" events before Paris.

And as more and more events are added to the "restricted" category, CAS will eventually allow WA to extend the restriction to all events.

I think you are correct. It is easy to read between the lines of Sebastian Coe's statements, and specifically his concern over Mboma's final 30 meters. I feel so bad for Mboma . It really struck me during the medal ceremony for the 200. Coe handled that medal ceremony. I was thinking Mboma is beaming and thrilled right now...meanwhile the guy handing her the medal already wants to make sure this doesn't happen again.

As others have pointed out, Mboma is a far superior natural athlete than the other prominent XY types. Amazing reflexes. But the XY group almost couldn't afford the emergence of someone like that right now. Everything would have been fairly tame as Coe and others are content to watch Niyonsaba fight for relevance at longer distances. Those final 30 meters of every Mboma race totally altered the spotlight going forward. It really stood out as a simple reference point because she blazed past Gabby Thomas in all three races.

I think I read somewhere Mboma ran 51x in her first official 400m not even training for the event. That is about the starting point for a H.S. boy 2-3 years down the road might go on to run 47x in the 400m. - Coe has a mess on his hands.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Chromosomes are not the defining criterion. She has testes. That is DSD. She could not exceed the IAAF testosterone limits otherwise. That is why she cannot compete in her favoured distance of the 400m.

That is most unfortunate. Was it established why chromosomes were not used as the basis?

Fogrunr wrote:

From Wikipedia

Women's 4x100 m

The fastest electronically timed anchor leg run is 8.65 seconds by Usain Bolt at the 2015 IAAF World Relays,[5] while Bob Hayes was hand-timed as running 8.7 seconds on a cinder track in the 1964 Tokyo Games Final. The Tokyo Games also had electronic timing; upon video review, Hayes ran 8.6 seconds in the final and an astonishing 8.5 seconds in the semi-final.[6]

The women's world record stands at 40.82 seconds, set by the United States in 2012 at the London Olympics. The fastest anchor leg run by a woman is 9.70 by Carmelita Jeter.

And at 18 years old Mboma just ran an anchor leg split of 9.86. And this tells you nothing.

TrackCoach wrote:

I think I read somewhere Mboma ran 51x in her first official 400m not even training for the event. That is about the starting point for a H.S. boy 2-3 years down the road might go on to run 47x in the 400m. - Coe has a mess on his hands.

And in two years at 17 she ran 48.5. What teen age female athlete do you know can run sub 49 in a 400M. In a month of training for the 200M she went from a PB of 22.6 to 21.8. What 17 year old female can run a sub 22 200M.

Coe has a mess on his hands indeed. Let's hope he does something before next year Worlds, because at the rate Mboma is going, she will be running 20.8 for the 200M by this time next year.

TrackCoach wrote:

Mboma could beat Elaine T-H, SAFP and Gabby Thomsas in a 200m right now if she knew how to start.

Eh, didn't you watch the Olympics? Mboma has already beaten Gabby Thomas and SAFP, by running them down as if they were standing still.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Correction: DSD athlete with male levels of testosterone.

Its why he said Usain Bolt of Women's sports.

UB is a manly man

Armstronglivs wrote:

Correction: DSD athlete with male levels of testosterone.

A woman. Unlike your wife. Who’s a man.

Trollminator wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Chromosomes are not the defining criterion. She has testes. That is DSD. She could not exceed the IAAF testosterone limits otherwise. That is why she cannot compete in her favoured distance of the 400m.

That is most unfortunate. Was it established why chromosomes were not used as the basis?

The argument about defining what is female can become both complicated and ambiguous if chromosomes are the test. The IAAF is avoiding saying who is a woman and who isn't at a time when gender has become fluid, so to speak. The sports bodies have opted for the measure of testosterone levels, because these are distinct between male and female - and, they believe, have a material affect on performance. It is however also the case that the DSD athletes who have male levels of testosterone are XY.

ill correct that for u wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Correction: DSD athlete with male levels of testosterone.

A woman. Unlike your wife. Who’s a man.

You have both around the wrong way. Unsurprisingly.

OozmaKappa wrote:

So mediocre split for a man, but close to all-time best for women.

Now what are the odds that, of the tiny population of DSD athletes, multiple of them wound up being capable of running all-time performances.

Nonsense. Tori Bowie ran 9.22 for her anchor leg at London WCs. Elite women ROUTINELY go sub 10 in their splits, which are unreliable anyway (flying start and NO WIND READING!!)

And in any case, these splits are all top-end speed; they almost are better predictors of 200m ability. Allyson Felix ran second her leg in close to 9-flat on a few occasions. She only ever ran 10.89.

This performance is impressive for a junior but this is being blown way out of proportion.

Who cares? let them make a mockery out of women's track and field. That's what PC is about anyway. Who says only women are allowed to run women's sports? Why are they so entitled? They have been privileged since birth, it's time some other sex/nonsex person had a chance to compete and win that category.

I made a thread about this but some nazi mod took it down.

I think they should just let Mboma run, win medals, and break WRs so that people can see what DSD athletes are capable of.

If you avert the crisis people will question whether there ever was a crisis, so you need to just let the disaster play out until everyone demands action.

It's cruel. It comes at the cost of the careers of many real women who will be robbed of the recognition and rewards for their hard work, but it's this sacrifice that will make people demand something be done to save womens athletics.

OozmaKappa wrote:

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It's cruel. It comes at the cost of the careers of many real women who will be robbed of the recognition and rewards for their hard work, but it's this sacrifice that will make people demand something be done to save womens athletics.

Agreed. My sprinting career was destroyed because of people like Bolt, De Grasse…

Unfair…

rojo toga wrote:

Who is the true world record holder over 800 meters?

Letsrun answer

Kelly hodginson

White ✓

British ✓

Must be clean ✓

khcglhc wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

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It's cruel. It comes at the cost of the careers of many real women who will be robbed of the recognition and rewards for their hard work, but it's this sacrifice that will make people demand something be done to save womens athletics.

Agreed. My sprinting career was destroyed because of people like Bolt, De Grasse…

Unfair…

You cant even beat de grASSe? 🤣 Youre a bum 😂😂🖕😭

hurdlesjack wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

So mediocre split for a man, but close to all-time best for women.

Now what are the odds that, of the tiny population of DSD athletes, multiple of them wound up being capable of running all-time performances.

Nonsense. Tori Bowie ran 9.22 for her anchor leg at London WCs. Elite women ROUTINELY go sub 10 in their splits, which are unreliable anyway (flying start and NO WIND READING!!)

And in any case, these splits are all top-end speed; they almost are better predictors of 200m ability. Allyson Felix ran second her leg in close to 9-flat on a few occasions. She only ever ran 10.89.

This performance is impressive for a junior but this is being blown way out of proportion.

Rubbish. No woman has gotten near 9 secs for a relay leg. That is Bob Hayes speed.