https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizations most hospitals have less than 10% of their ICU beds with Covid patients...
highhoppingworm wrote:
So you are going with “the cure is worse than the illness” line of reasoning. People absolutely have been unable to engage with the healthcare system appropriately as a result of COVID. Guess what, we now we have the unvaccinated adult dipstick population to thank for that.
What next? Economic damage and behavioral health issues are worse than the 600k+ dead?
You people are living on another planet. I swear to god. If you are so concerned about antibodies in breast milk and the subsequent impact on PICU capacity why don’t you to get jabbed and do your part to slow community transmission so we can all get back to something resembling normal.
I’m done here. There is no fixing stupid.
Kiss my a$$ sh*thead.
erik wrote:
Orcas wrote:
Define "shortage"? Running out of the pre-assigned PICU beds and just freeing some more is not a shortage.
You don’t just “assign” new PICU beds except in a shortage. PICUs are their own things with their own physical space and most importantly nursing and attending staff sized to handle things at their max. If you go over, that’s a problem—in terms of physical resources and personnel . (My wife is a PICU attending).
To that end, PICUs filling up has been exceedingly rare (and I suppose is alarming if it’s now happening). My wife works in the only teaching PICU for a fairly large area and they’ve only had a handful of serious covid cases in the entire pandemic.
In any event, I’m not particularly afraid for my own children. The biggest issue is the disruption to their schooling. The worst outcomes (long covid, brain inflammation) are very rare—on the order of other dangerous things like car crashes.
1) Overall, good post, especially with the PICU stuff.
2) Depending on what all you include in "long COVID", you could be underestimating that just a bit. "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found." This doesn't include the studies that suggest anywhere from 1 in 5 to 1 in 3 who experience some mental illness issues. You just don't want to get COVID at all, but if you do, you want to get it after being vaccinated so that the bad things are much less.
$camdemic wrote:
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizationsmost hospitals have less than 10% of their ICU beds with Covid patients...
You do realize that is just Ohio, right? Ohio is not currently a hotbed (pun intended).
TommyRatBalls wrote:
0%. 3 kids. I’m well aware it is inevitable they’ll one day get covid, and equally aware they’ll be perfectly fine. The media panic porn causing these school mandates is disgraceful.
1) Getting COVID is not inevitable.
2) Getting COVID while vaccinated is MUCH better than getting it while not.
3) You are a fool to be so sure that your kids will be "perfectly fine". More and more young people are getting sick, and severely so. Your kids are not immune from having serious issues just because they are young.
the media is corrupt wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) I am really sorry that your 3-year-old got COVID. I would be concerned if my children were still too young to be vaccinated.
2) He is LIKELY to be fine, especially since it appears he has at least recovered from the initial illness.
3) The parents of your kid are right to have panicked though. At that point their kid hadn't yet gotten sick and recovered. ALSO (and you should talk to your kid's doctor if you haven't already), there are potential bad long-term side effects of getting COVID...damage to the heart and lungs chief among them. There is also the possibility of mental health issues (this is NOT an extremely low possibility). Not enough data yet to say if a 3-year-old is less likely to have these bad side effects or not. Finally, viruses are very mysterious, and some rear their ugly heads years, even decades later (see Chicken Pox and Shingles). We do not yet know what might happen 20 years down the road for people who were infected.
Such baseless fear mongering. Good grief… there is really no hope for America. The leftists have gone utterly and completely mad.
1) Nothing I said there is baseless or wrong.
2) Nothing I said there is fearmongering.
3) You are just wrong.
Jefe in the CO wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Not fearmongering...
Oh sure, coming from the guy who advises not to run outside, ride a motorcycle, and anything else he doesn’t do, or else you’ll die. Why risk it?
1) I run outside 6 days a week. I have never said not to run outside. [gameshow buzzer sound]
2) There is a reason that paramedics call motorcycles "donor cycles".
3) You can do lots of things that I don't do and not die. I rarely drink alcohol...most who drink socially on a regular basis will not die because of it. I don't do stupid things. Most who do stupid things will not die from those stupid things (but some will).
4) I gave a reasonable and metered response to the OP including that his kid would "likely" be fine. That is not part of a fearmongerer playbook. It is responsible of those of us who do understand the risks though to lay them out for people who ask questions or make faulty statements. A) Everyone who can should get vaccinated; B) It is foolhardy or wishful thinking to assume that you or someone you know will just be ok if they are infected with COVID, regardless of their age or health.
old azz man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) I am really sorry that your 3-year-old got COVID. I would be concerned if my children were still too young to be vaccinated.
2) He is LIKELY to be fine, especially since it appears he has at least recovered from the initial illness.
3) The parents of your kid are right to have panicked though. At that point their kid hadn't yet gotten sick and recovered. ALSO (and you should talk to your kid's doctor if you haven't already), there are potential bad long-term side effects of getting COVID...damage to the heart and lungs chief among them. There is also the possibility of mental health issues (this is NOT an extremely low possibility). Not enough data yet to say if a 3-year-old is less likely to have these bad side effects or not. Finally, viruses are very mysterious, and some rear their ugly heads years, even decades later (see Chicken Pox and Shingles). We do not yet know what might happen 20 years down the road for people who were infected.
So you agree that we DON'T know. I got the vaccine, but we don't KNOW. Hopefully our leaders will set politics aside and put our best interests in the forefront.
Agree that we don't know about what? Depends on what you are referring to there.
What we DO know is more than enough to get the vaccine.
old azz man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
CORRECT!
If you really want to follow the Science, children are not dying from Covid anymore than the flu, but it goes against your teams narrative.
You are a dumb@ss. The only team I am on is the team that says you should get vaccinated against this virus. To not do so when you can is MORONIC.
I have 2 young daughters that are 3 and 2. Both have been in daycare since the start of the pandemic. No concerns here. Their age group has had like 150 deaths from covid total since the start (in the usa). Odds of death are at 1 in 10,000 just from known cases. Many kids have probably already had it as they arent social distancing or wearing masks or doing anything of that nature. I know it is not true for all age groups but for young children, this virus is actually about the same as the flu.
Fwiw, i am fully vaccinated and believe anyone that has concerns about the virus or that is over the age of 50 should get the vaccine.
I teach high school and I have three kids under 5 years old. Not afraid of covid, negligible amount of deaths in children. Can't eliminate risk in human life, gotta live.
What terrifies me is addiction to screens. You want to be scared for small kids, hang out with some average high schoolers on a regular basis.
Flagpole wrote:
old azz man wrote:
So you agree that we DON'T know. I got the vaccine, but we don't KNOW. Hopefully our leaders will set politics aside and put our best interests in the forefront.
Agree that we don't know about what? Depends on what you are referring to there.
What we DO know is more than enough to get the vaccine.
The vaccine is the best we have for now. We don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. We do know that Covid kills less than 0.2% of those infected which is way different than we knew this time a year ago. We do know that the virus was politicized by our leaders on both sides of the aisle and we are all paying for it.
old azz man wrote:
If you really want to follow the Science, children are not dying from Covid anymore than the flu, but it goes against your teams narrative.
'The surge in pediatric infections worries doctors, especially on the cusp of flu season, saying Covid's potential impact on kids is "beyond what flu would ever do."'
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-more-dangerous-children-growing-number-kids-are-very-n1276035I'm sure you will discount it because it's an NBC story and not from OAN or whatever fictitious "news" site you get info from.
Flagpole wrote:
old azz man wrote:
If you really want to follow the Science, children are not dying from Covid anymore than the flu, but it goes against your teams narrative.
You are a dumb@ss. The only team I am on is the team that says you should get vaccinated against this virus. To not do so when you can is MORONIC.
I got vaccinated as soon as I could. You are clearly on team Donkey. Own it. Every open minded, scientific, and tolerant post you do reveals it.
Flagpole wrote:
old azz man wrote:
If you really want to follow the Science, children are not dying from Covid anymore than the flu, but it goes against your teams narrative.
'The surge in pediatric infections worries doctors, especially on the cusp of flu season, saying Covid's potential impact on kids is "beyond what flu would ever do."'
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-more-dangerous-children-growing-number-kids-are-very-n1276035I'm sure you will discount it because it's an NBC story and not from OAN or whatever fictitious "news" site you get info from.
I am in health care. Our hospitals are full of Covid + patients. None of which are children.
deevo wrote:
I teach high school and I have three kids under 5 years old. Not afraid of covid, negligible amount of deaths in children. Can't eliminate risk in human life, gotta live.
What terrifies me is addiction to screens. You want to be scared for small kids, hang out with some average high schoolers on a regular basis.
X1
A lot of selfish and inconsiderate people on here. Kids can give the virus to adults. It's obvious that the best we have against the virus is masks and the vaccines.
The problem is real. Wear masks, get the vaccine, stay healthy.
My kids tested positive in April. The symptoms were mild but we all had to quarantine for 10 days so no school for 10 days. The quarantine was harder than the disease.
However I am afraid of the delta variant which seems to affect kids more.
Flagpole wrote:
TommyRatBalls wrote:
0%. 3 kids. I’m well aware it is inevitable they’ll one day get covid, and equally aware they’ll be perfectly fine. The media panic porn causing these school mandates is disgraceful.
1) Getting COVID is not inevitable.
2) Getting COVID while vaccinated is MUCH better than getting it while not.
3) You are a fool to be so sure that your kids will be "perfectly fine". More and more young people are getting sick, and severely so. Your kids are not immune from having serious issues just because they are young.
Dude, you are a liar. Young people are not getting sick nor at inceasingly higher rates and more sever cases. Stop listening to the liar Lester Dolt and stop watching CNN.
old azz man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Agree that we don't know about what? Depends on what you are referring to there.
What we DO know is more than enough to get the vaccine.
The vaccine is the best we have for now. We don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. We do know that Covid kills less than 0.2% of those infected which is way different than we knew this time a year ago. We do know that the virus was politicized by our leaders on both sides of the aisle and we are all paying for it.
1) You are CORRECT that the vaccine is the best thing we have now.
2) You are WRONG to be concerned about long-term effects of the vaccines. Vaccines show negative results within 6 weeks, and these COVID vaccines, even the mRNA ones are no different, and there is no reason to believe they will be.
3) You are incorrect in your percentage of death. It is not that low...not even close. ALSO, there are serious issues for many people who then do not die. Death is not the only bad result of a COVID infection.
4) The politicization of the virus came PRIMARILY from the Trumpers. I do not accept that "both sides of the aisle" are responsible for the divide we have. Morons vs. non-morons. Morons are refusing to get vaccinated. Many of them have political reasons for doing so. Idiotic.
Summary - You were correct to get vaccinated, but your ideas on the whole subject are not based in fact.
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