More impresive Zatopek's triple or Hassan's triple ?

big daddy wrote:

Hassan went absolutely deep into the well for that 10k. She looked exhausted at the starting line and didn't even smile or wave at the camera... Afterwards she was on the ground for 10 minutes screaming for ice packs. Like everyone says it's hard to compare what she did to Zatopek but good lord she is tough as hell.

Are you saying she might have circumvented thermoregulatory limits?

There are women who lined up in those track races who would beat Zatopek in a time trial.

WinnytheBish wrote:

There are women who lined up in those track races who would beat Zatopek in a time trial.

His world records have all been beaten by kids in high school in the US.

In his era, he was the best of the people who had time to train and participate in Olympic events.

2021 is much different than 1950…. today, he would not make it on the national team.

That's what I was thinking too, that 14:22 is well out of date at this stage. She said herself that she wants to target a world record next, so maybe this is what's on her mind for Pre.

eh hem... He ran on a dirt / cinder track with nails and leather strapped to his feet.

Stop this nonsense.

Have the Olympics wear shoes and use the same surface as 1952, then come talk to me about comparisons....

until then STHU

jeezzz wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

There are women who lined up in those track races who would beat Zatopek in a time trial.

His world records have all been beaten by kids in high school in the US.

In his era, he was the best of the people who had time to train and participate in Olympic events.

2021 is much different than 1950…. today, he would not make it on the national team.

And many today WOULD NOT make the team in 1952-1970 if forced to wear the same shoes and run in the same surfaces.

You guys compare mondo to dirt? Nike Super Shoes to Leather with half nails? So stupid.

e h wrote:

Hassan had to beat 3 fields of massively doped runners, there was not doping in Zatopeks era. Hassan’s is more impressive

And how do you know there was no doping (or cheating) ? there were still plenty of way to do both at that time and virtually no enforcement at all - people have been cheating in the olympics since the beginning.

Young studs. In the 70s I ran maybe two races on a beautiful mondo track that is the expectation today (it was a beautiful variations of dirt including Arcadia HS my HS) and pretty much every race including 10ks in Adidas Tokyos (ironically) had Nike Montreals my senior year in college. So anyone before that ran on crappy dirt tracks in sprinter spikes and still ran respectable times. Hassan is a freaking stud but how would she do on a dirt track in sprinter spikes without modern science?

tarckstar wrote:

Hassan, easy.

"All" you had to do back in the day was have a shred of talent and work ethic, and you could rule the world. And of course, you had to ignore common training wisdom, and blunder onto better methods. Every so often someone would do that, and you'd have a world beater.

Zatopek very easily. This discussion shouldn't even be a thing. Zatopek was competing against the genuinely best human runners in the world in his time. Hassan is in a protected sub category so she does not even have to face the best human runners.

only open categories count wrote:

tarckstar wrote:

Hassan, easy.

"All" you had to do back in the day was have a shred of talent and work ethic, and you could rule the world. And of course, you had to ignore common training wisdom, and blunder onto better methods. Every so often someone would do that, and you'd have a world beater.

Zatopek very easily. This discussion shouldn't even be a thing. Zatopek was competing against the genuinely best human runners in the world in his time. Hassan is in a protected sub category so she does not even have to face the best human runners.

This made me LOL. The 'genuinely best runners' in Zatopeks time....... didn't run. Don't you get it? Post-war, few had the resources or wish to trot around running international running races. Cinder tracks/basic footware? pshaw. you're trying to tell me that today's 27min studs couldn't break 14 or 29 in their sleep in those days? Zatopeks trained harder than I ever did, but his 223 marathon was barely faster than mine.

Zatopek's 14:6 is worth 12:50 today.

His 29:17 is worth 27:00 today.

His 2:23:00 is worth 2:08:00 today.

jeezzz wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

There are women who lined up in those track races who would beat Zatopek in a time trial.

His world records have all been beaten by kids in high school in the US.

In his era, he was the best of the people who had time to train and participate in Olympic events.

2021 is much different than 1950…. today, he would not make it on the national team.

She would not get near his times without peds, super shoes, mondo 2nd generation tracks, training 12 hours a day 6 days a week, her every ingested morsal scrutinised for nutritional value etc.

Zatopek literally trained in the bath.

It's ironic that the same people who explain away Hassan's massive improvement in times at age 25 as 'getting serious', dismiss Zatopek - a guy who literally had to train in the bath when he came home from ardeous military duties at 10pm - as garbage for running 1950's times.

Coevett wrote:

jeezzz wrote:

His world records have all been beaten by kids in high school in the US.

In his era, he was the best of the people who had time to train and participate in Olympic events.

2021 is much different than 1950…. today, he would not make it on the national team.

She would not get near his times without peds, super shoes, mondo 2nd generation tracks, training 12 hours a day 6 days a week, her every ingested morsal scrutinised for nutritional value etc.

Zatopek literally trained in the bath.

Perfectly stated...

Zatopek by a mile. He was just a normal dude that won 3 medals. He didn't have scientific training methods or run as a job. I'm not impressed by any Olympian that doesn't work a full time job outside their event. Go punch a clock 40 to 60 hours a week and still medal, that is impressive.

Ain't 1857 wrote:

I say Zatopek,5k,10k,Marathon on a last minute whim.Won them all.

I don't need to choose.

gowu2uvaush wrote:

Zatopek by a mile. He was just a normal dude that won 3 medals. He didn't have scientific training methods or run as a job. I'm not impressed by any Olympian that doesn't work a full time job outside their event. Go punch a clock 40 to 60 hours a week and still medal, that is impressive.

You 100% captured what none of us could say right. well done.

Zatopek didn't have a coach. I think that will be a big matter these days