Sifan Hassan is the best of you all haters and she is CLEAN

At least I can read. The panel that banned him called it unintentional. But you ignore every fact to push your conspiracy. And no, I'm not an endless denier. Runners like Kiprop and Houlihan are caught and punished. Are there those escaping detection? I'm sure there are some. But what Salazar did was not deserving of a 4 year ban.

If you're going to call someone a moron, please learn to spell. I don't mind being called names. But I would like to be called stupid by someone intelligent.

bladerunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are a complete moron. The "he did nothing wrong" defence. A coach is not banned for 4 years for accidental infractions of the anti-doping rules. He is a dirty coach in a dirty sport, defended by endless deniers like yourself.

At least I can read. The panel that banned him called it unintentional. But you ignore every fact to push your conspiracy. And no, I'm not an endless denier. Runners like Kiprop and Houlihan are caught and punished. Are there those escaping detection? I'm sure there are some. But what Salazar did was not deserving of a 4 year ban.

If you're going to call someone a moron, please learn to spell. I don't mind being called names. But I would like to be called stupid by someone intelligent.

bladerunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are a complete moron. The "he did nothing wrong" defence. A coach is not banned for 4 years for accidental infractions of the anti-doping rules. He is a dirty coach in a dirty sport, defended by endless deniers like yourself.

At least I can read. The panel that banned him called it unintentional. But you ignore every fact to push your conspiracy. And no, I'm not an endless denier. Runners like Kiprop and Houlihan are caught and punished. Are there those escaping detection? I'm sure there are some. But what Salazar did was not deserving of a 4 year ban.

If you're going to call someone a moron, please learn to spell. I don't mind being called names. But I would like to be called stupid by someone intelligent.

You're stupid.

Tell WADA he shouldn't have had a 4 year ban - since you're a doping apologist. He breached several anti-doping rules - but didn't know what he was doing? If he wasn't a cheat he was as thick as pigsh*t. WADA opted for the former. But you know all about the latter.

That Salazar was "apparently motivated by his desire to provide the very best results and training for athletes under his care" you could say of any coach who was prepared to bend or break the rules to achieve that. As he was. So 4 years for that lack of integrity.

AJrunner wrote:

The women’s silver medalist in the 10k is an obvious doper, too. Who even was that woman?

She's pretty suspect. She like Katir evaded the AIU RTP as a result of emerging out of nowhere. Former 1500m runner who pops up after years of irrelevance is suddenly hanging with Gidey's absurd tempo in the heat that dropped Obiri et al. At least in her case she was a 4:00.97 1500m runner years ago, so there's theoretically a lot of talent and maybe she just is better suited for long distances. But it's one that looks highly suspicious.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

AJrunner wrote:

The women’s silver medalist in the 10k is an obvious doper, too. Who even was that woman?

She's pretty suspect. She like Katir evaded the AIU RTP as a result of emerging out of nowhere. Former 1500m runner who pops up after years of irrelevance is suddenly hanging with Gidey's absurd tempo in the heat that dropped Obiri et al. At least in her case she was a 4:00.97 1500m runner years ago, so there's theoretically a lot of talent and maybe she just is better suited for long distances. But it's one that looks highly suspicious.

If we start talking about doping I could ask where now the winner of this race of 2017?

All Spanish runners of Tokyo were not registered in the AIU PTP including the finalists of 800m and 1500m.

Armstronglivs wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

At least I can read. The panel that banned him called it unintentional. But you ignore every fact to push your conspiracy. And no, I'm not an endless denier. Runners like Kiprop and Houlihan are caught and punished. Are there those escaping detection? I'm sure there are some. But what Salazar did was not deserving of a 4 year ban.

If you're going to call someone a moron, please learn to spell. I don't mind being called names. But I would like to be called stupid by someone intelligent.

You're stupid.

Tell WADA he shouldn't have had a 4 year ban - since you're a doping apologist. He breached several anti-doping rules - but didn't know what he was doing? If he wasn't a cheat he was as thick as pigsh*t. WADA opted for the former. But you know all about the latter.

Same kind of answer from you like dozens of times before. Your arrrogance really has no limit.

Ironic, you bring up someone who was busted for 3 missed tests because he was part of the AIU RTP and missed the tests he needed. He remains out until the end of the year. We shall see if he comes back and is at his old 2015-2018 form. We have no idea if he is indeed a doper or just an irresponsible guy. The system worked as it was designed in this case, though. For athletes like Katir and the 10K silver medalist more unannounced OOC testing adds a good deterrent and potential to get caught (if they are doping).

Hocker is not registered in this pool?

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/know-the-process/registered-testing-pool?athleteName=Hocker&country=&sex=&discipline=

Armstronglivs wrote:

A coach is not banned for 4 years for accidental infractions of the anti-doping rules. He is a dirty coach in a dirty sport, defended by endless deniers like yourself.

“accidental” is your term, and has no real significance here. You also said the violations were “significant”, which is arguable, but any argument would be moot, as again, your term has no real significant relevance here. The panel found it was “unintentional”, but this also has no bearing on the length of the ban for the various infractions.

With respect to Sifan Hassan, everyone should be comforted by the fact that no NOP athlete, in the history of NOP, was ever sanctioned by any anti-doping ADA or ADO, ever.

In addition to all NOP athletes in the entire history of NOP “never failing a test”, USADA conducted a lengthy 5-year investigation on Salazar and all NOP athletes, and a 2-year prosecution.

“USADA’s investigation yielded a wide range of evidence referenced in the hearing, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records. Between the two cases, USADA relied on more than 2,000 exhibits, which the AAA heard along with the defendants’ cases. In all, the proceedings included 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts.”

After Salazar’s conviction, Tygart was quoted as confirming:

“There is no point in the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) looking into athletes who trained under banned coach Alberto Salazar because the U.S. Anti-doping Agency has already done that ….”

“USADA did not sanction any of his athletes after finding no evidence of any wrongdoing by them….”

“What they (WADA) would have learned is that we (USADA) left no stone unturned (in relation to any athletes) …”

35107 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You're stupid.

Tell WADA he shouldn't have had a 4 year ban - since you're a doping apologist. He breached several anti-doping rules - but didn't know what he was doing? If he wasn't a cheat he was as thick as pigsh*t. WADA opted for the former. But you know all about the latter.

Same kind of answer from you like dozens of times before. Your arrrogance really has no limit.

You're the bar.

And the doping apologist-in-chief chimes in. Which tells me the Salazar is properly banned.

And the doping apologist-in-chief chimes in. Which tells me that Salazar is properly banned.[/quote]

But he somehow failed to dope his athletes because he didn't really know what he was doing. Incompetent, too.

Passant wrote:

Kobbs Hessler wrote:

Hard to care about her.

I would care of how she would have done in the 1500m if she didn't had this fatigue.

Remember, everyone was saying that Ingerbrigsten is not a kicker!

Hassan has the endurance to go under 3:50 in the 1500m.

Sifan Hassan is petrified and intimidated by Faith Kipyegon. No kidding she might switch to 800 along with the distance races. Anything to avoid Kipyegon in the 1500.

It goes back a long time but especially to that 2017 world championship final. That's when Hassan realized she was no match for Kipyegon. It was a slow pace and Hassan launched a sustained sprint with 600 meters remaining. She knew darn well it would put away any other woman in the world. Kipyegon not only matched her stride for stride but Hassan buckled in the final 50 meters, totally spent. From that point forth Hassan totally changes her strategy only against Kipyegon. She literally laughs at anyone else. The final lap of the 5000 was the most hilarious moment in Tokyo, when Hellen Obiri somehow believed her kick would bother Sifan Hassan in the slightest. I must have replayed that segment 20 times in absolute hysterics as Obiri started frantically pumping her arms. Likewise in the 10,000 final Hassan wasn't scared of the time trial specialist Gidey at all. Time trial specialists like Gidey and Genzebe scare nobody. Strategists like Mo Farah and Sifan Hassan scare everybody...except Faith Kipyegon.

I can't believe how idiotic Hassan was in that 1500 final. I posted here several weeks before Tokyo that the absolute worst strategy for Hassan would be to push the pace. This was nothing like Doha 2019 when Kipyegon was not in peak conditioning after maternity leave. Before that 2019 race several of us here emphasized that Hassan should deviate from her typical tactics and push a fast pace, for a final time that Kipyegon was not capable of. Tokyo set up 100% opposite. Hassan should have sat back and tried to play cat and mouse with Kipyegon. I doubt it would have worked. But once she went to the front the race was already over on the first lap.

Now I notice that Hassan is ducking Kipyegon at Prefontaine and running the 5000 instead of the 1500. That is also a mistake, IMO. Kipyegon did not run well immediately after Rio. Her next couple of races were flat including losing to Laura Muir. Kipyegon had the worst race of her career a few weeks after Rio. She took the lead with a lap remaining then weakened badly and nearly stopped over the final 10 meters. She finished 7th or 8th...something like that. It is the only awful race I've seen Kipyegon run in her professional career. Granted, she is in fantastic shape right now but if I were Hassan I would try to get some immediate revenge against a version of Kipyegon that could easily not be fully motivated or energized.

Armstronglivs wrote:

And the doping apologist-in-chief chimes in. Which tells me the Salazar is properly banned.

…

But he somehow failed to dope his athletes because he didn't really know what he was doing. Incompetent, too.

I never apologize for doping — this name-calling is just one of your childish games when you have clearly lost an argument.

You didn’t say Salazar’s ban was “proper” — so that wasn’t in question here. You said “significant” and “accidental”. The AAA Panel said “unintentional”.

It appears by official accounts (the AAA Panel report) that Salazar did not try to dope his athletes, and on the contrary, tried really hard to not dope his athletes, so it hardly makes any sense to judge his competence by saying he failed at something he did not try.

This thread is about Sifan Hassan. The only connection to Salazar would be a coach-athlete relation, and on the subject of athletes at NOP being doped by Salazar, I think that Tygart would know far more on this topic than anyone else outside of NOP.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Faulknerism wrote:

Armstronglives is a boring, negative guy who sometimes gets his facts mixed up and other times is incomplete in his analysis. He seems to have a reputable profession (or is that Flagpole?) and a strong grasp of grammar, which puts him toward the top of the letsrun totem pole. But that's not saying much.

Translation: Armstronglivs presents arguments I don't like about doping in this sport, because I don't like to believe it is a dirty sport.

Translation: I was trying to be nice to you, but after reading you call people in this thread "twats" and other vulgarities, I see that you don't deserve it. You're a horrible guy, as well as boring, negative and deeply uninformed. Other posters have taken you to task for your thoroughgoing ignorance of the Salazar/NOP case. You're wrong on every point. From an objective perspective, you simply don't know the specifics of the matter and simply argue from general principles. Essentially, you've formed an opinion and are simply looking for facts, and are willing to manipulate facts, to bolster that predetermined position. You should change your name to "The Closing of the [Insert Your Homeland] Mind", but I doubt you'll get, let alone respect that reference, you ignoramus.

Even too dumb to know what an apologist is. It's all you ever do. Like now. Salazar got a 4 year ban for "trying really hard not to dope his athletes". Not hard enough, it seems. And "the only connection with Hassan is coach-athlete relationship". (Like Denis Mitchell and Richardson?) What other relationship is at issue? They were going steady? You are a joke.

"Twats"? Sorry - not my post. Flannel aside - and you do write a lot of it - my previous comment clearly hit the mark.

Passant wrote:

Hocker is not registered in this pool?

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/know-the-process/registered-testing-pool?athleteName=Hocker&country=&sex=&discipline=

Sup holmes? That's a really comaparison. That agency is after like the 782 elites in their pool. And that pool grows and the net widens each quarter. The American was not an elite and barely even qualified for the Olympics in the first place.