There’s just incredible depth in the men’s 1500m rate now. On top of its no longer a sit and kick race internationally. Being a great tactician doesn’t matter when you have 10 guys trying to break 3:30. If you watched what Tim C did at the World champs in 2019 you would already know that Centro was no longer an Olympic medal threat.
I do think centro needs to focus on the 5k. That event seems schumachers bread and butter.
Nothing about a gold medalist not making the final in his 3rd Olympics is sad. Simply by making 3 Olympics, he's ahead of Lomong, Tegenkamp, Ryan Hall and Manzano. Nothing to be ashamed of
I’ve long ragged in Centro, but now that he’s past his prime I can say he was a great runner. I think 5000 would be a good choice for him. I think mentally he’s got a lot of fire. Going after that 3:46 mile he was mentally prepared but just not physically there. If he tried 5 years ago I have no doubt he breaks the AR.
Truck Stop wrote:
There’s just incredible depth in the men’s 1500m rate now. On top of its no longer a sit and kick race internationally. Being a great tactician doesn’t matter when you have 10 guys trying to break 3:30. If you watched what Tim C did at the World champs in 2019 you would already know that Centro was no longer an Olympic medal threat.
I do think centro needs to focus on the 5k. That event seems schumachers bread and butter.
This is an astute observation. There's definitely an argument that if you put 2021 Jakob, Tim C, Wightman, McSweyn etc. in that race in 2016, Centrowitz even in the shape he was in then would never win gold. Just like how 2011 Jenny Simpson would have struggled to crack the top 6 in Doha 2019 (or in the final tomorrow morning). Sometimes the times overtake the athlete.
avnlkkn wrote:
It's not Centro, it's Jerry. GDS in the women's 1500m will be very telling on whether he can actually coach the mid-distances or not. Andy Young, her old coach and coach of Muir/Reekie emphasizes speed a lot, Jerry works on it like once a week and it's really just strides or speed endurance. Also, look what he did with Kate Grace? Then she goes to Boss and drops back to back 1:57's. His program is very strength oriented and they spend a lot of time at altitude which can hinder your speed if you're not working on it enough. I have no doubt Centro can run 12:50-12:55 in the 5k right now, but it doesn't matter if he can't run faster than 3:32 consecutively. None of the BTC upper distance guys can drop down and run fast 1500's. Jager ran 3:32.9 once, that's it. Shelby has natural speed, but he can't even get her to the starting line.
Centro 12:50? Lmao. He's no endurance runner, not even a slight one. Kimeli's Monaco pb is 12:51. Jakob 12:48. Wale 12:53.
I'm not sure you fully understand what it takes to run 12:50, and the current state of matt centrowitz. He's literally winding up his running, and 31 year olds at the end of their careers don't just run 12:50. Whether Matt can actually really handle a 5k is questionable
avnlkkn wrote:
It's not Centro, it's Jerry. GDS in the women's 1500m will be very telling on whether he can actually coach the mid-distances or not. Andy Young, her old coach and coach of Muir/Reekie emphasizes speed a lot, Jerry works on it like once a week and it's really just strides or speed endurance. Also, look what he did with Kate Grace? Then she goes to Boss and drops back to back 1:57's. His program is very strength oriented and they spend a lot of time at altitude which can hinder your speed if you're not working on it enough. I have no doubt Centro can run 12:50-12:55 in the 5k right now, but it doesn't matter if he can't run faster than 3:32 consecutively. None of the BTC upper distance guys can drop down and run fast 1500's. Jager ran 3:32.9 once, that's it. Shelby has natural speed, but he can't even get her to the starting line.
i agree with the last part of this take. I think maybe and this is a strong maybe only Grant Fisher right now out of their upper distance guys can drop down and break 3:35 as of now. Even tho Mo ahmed ran 3:34 hi last year during the friendly’s, I can’t see someone like Lomong, Scott, Tuntivate, Mcgorty, Kincaid running a fast 1500 now. Interested to see what Centro does tho. 3 straight major championships the next 3 years. Does he take one more stab at the 1500 in Eugene and maybe tries to move up for 2023
One of the great American runners at The Blue Ribbon-distance. Loved to see him run.
chockopudge wrote:
michiganrunner55 wrote:
Wow a bad race and you have him moving up
In distance. I do agree he is not one of the best anymore but he is young enough to still get some of it back
Nah. He spent the last 5 years on an exit tour. Disappeared, didn't kick on.
He may keep running. But he isn't going anywhere. He peaked in 2016
He mostly did peak in 2016 but I don't see anything wrong with that. He's been a strong runner since that wasn't quite able to hack it in finals. And he may have a couple of 5000m world championship finals as well. But no more medals. 4 was enough.