Anyone besides me getting less impressed by Kessler's 3:34, two guys who can't even make it to NCAAs just ran 3:37

I assume he meant they had an advantage as compared to previous NCAA runners. Most high school and college runners have been online and training at similar levels to each other.

Rojo needs to acknowledge Kessler is faster than any collegian ever.

Having said that is is crazy that NCAA runnners who didn't make NCAAs are running 3:37. Hard to wrap my head around that. Should Hocker and Nuguse actually be running faster!? Or could the shoes have more effect for a 3:40 runner than a 3:35 runner?

channelled the frustrations from not making it into a great time in a pro field, seems straightforward to me.

I'm expecting BIG times in the 1500 at NCAAs. Tons of talent + a guy like Kipsang who isn't afraid to take the pace

jabouko wrote:

channelled the frustrations from not making it into a great time in a pro field, seems straightforward to me.

Yep. They obviously had poor tactics at regionals, but were pissed because they were fit enough to qualify. They then take this fitness and rage to a nicely rabitted pro race and drop their PRs. Not complicated.

Wejo "Voice of Reason" I am not sure about the explosion of times, BUT, I have said for a long time, only in middle and LD running are we shocked when someone runs anywhere near someone did over 50 years ago.

Folks should be wanting this , yet they resist it. Better equip will always evolve

However I do not remember nearly this amount of sh-it when Webb Broke Ryuns record in a loaded field on a Mondo track, with clearly better spikes and rabbitts to run thru and past.

Robert should kind of knock it off really, it looks to me like what I said it was. I am not the only one that thinks this.

To Rojo, Wejo and others that seem a bit less than impressed by Kessler's 1500. Question for you all: How fast would Kessler have to cover 1500 for you to be really impressed? 3:32? sub-3:30? Just wondering what would do the trick?

wejo wrote:

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The NCAA kids have had a HUGE advantage in terms of training this past year. You need to take that into account.

Rojo is beating a dead horse but why have NCAA kids have a huge advantage in training? Less distractions/partying? Less racing?

Those things too, yes. With outdoor races cancelled last year they were able to get a HUGE build in starting in June, then XC was cancelled and they kept building through the fall, not burning themselves out before track season. Most were also able to stay injury free.

As well, online school is WAY easier for training, because you can watch lectures whenever you want. Many of the top college kids lived and trained like pro runners for the past year.

You'll also notice that the average professional times have not gotten faster since the introduction of the new shoes. It is ONLY localized to NCAA athletes, because the living and training environment for the pros did not change all that much. I cannot stress enough how important online school and a FULL YEAR of base building is for these college kids.

Sounds about right, LOL. Or faster than any U.S. top 5 guy has run in two years?

Runner10287 wrote:

foe sho wrote:

Go f*ck yourself Rojo. Stop trashing a kid who is more talented, more humble, simply better than your old washed ass has been or will ever bee.

This.

It's time to remove RoJoke from any association with LetsRun. Let's the users manage the site collectively.

Calm down. He said LESS impressed, he didn't say he is no longer impressed. He said he still thinks Kessler is a SUPREME talent.

But when random nobody's in the NCAA are running 3:37 it makes 3:34 seem less insane. This is a FACT. Centro only ran 3:36.92 in college and he is an Olympic Gold Medalist. There have already been 9 NCAA performances THIS YEAR faster than Centro ever ran.

There is CLEARLY something going on with the shoes. Times don't mean what they did even just 5 years ago.

I think we’re going through another running boom where it’s going to be continually harder to impress the running community

Sub 4 highschool milers have become an annual tradition now while just a decade ago or two ago you maybe witnessed a sub 4 highschool miler once a generation.

It’s now expected to have American professional runners to compete for distance medals at world championships and Olympic events.

Marathon participation was booming before COVID and will be booming after.

In short, in 2007 a 3:34 highschool 1500m runner would have been earth shatteringly impressive. Now, it turns some heads, but then you move on to the next prodigy.

aztec the moronic wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

This.

It's time to remove RoJoke from any association with LetsRun. Let's the users manage the site collectively.

Calm down. He said LESS impressed, he didn't say he is no longer impressed. He said he still thinks Kessler is a SUPREME talent.

But when random nobody's in the NCAA are running 3:37 it makes 3:34 seem less insane. This is a FACT. Centro only ran 3:36.92 in college and he is an Olympic Gold Medalist. There have already been 9 NCAA performances THIS YEAR faster than Centro ever ran.

There is CLEARLY something going on with the shoes. Times don't mean what they did even just 5 years ago.

Why is it clearly the shoes? Perhaps there is a larger disruption, called, I dunno, a PANDEMIC that completely changed the NCAA season structure and the way college is delivered?

There is a clear delineation between pre-pandemic NCAA times and post-pandemic NCAA times. This is not seen in the pro ranks. Therefore, the pandemic affected NCAA athletes more than pro athletes, and the shoes are largely irrelevant.

wejo wrote:

Rojo needs to acknowledge Kessler is faster than any collegian ever.

Having said that is is crazy that NCAA runnners who didn't make NCAAs are running 3:37. Hard to wrap my head around that. Should Hocker and Nuguse actually be running faster!? Or could the shoes have more effect for a 3:40 runner than a 3:35 runner?

They probably could be running faster in a controlled race with pacers. Nuguse ran his record solo. The east prelims 1500 did not have pacers. Hocker and Teare ran their times indoors and perhaps could run a fast 1500 with better pacers/competition.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I think we’re going through another running boom where it’s going to be continually harder to impress the running community

Sub 4 highschool milers have become an annual tradition now while just a decade ago or two ago you maybe witnessed a sub 4 highschool miler once a generation.

It’s now expected to have American professional runners to compete for distance medals at world championships and Olympic events.

Marathon participation was booming before COVID and will be booming after.

In short, in 2007 a 3:34 highschool 1500m runner would have been earth shatteringly impressive. Now, it turns some heads, but then you move on to the next prodigy.

This too. Kids have been getting faster in the last few years LONG before the shoes. For the past 8 years, hasn't a high schooler gone sub 4 almost every year? That would be unheard of before 2010. Now these fast kids are going into the NCAA and laying down impressive results. Combine that with pandemic training and online school, and boom, fast NCAA times.

This is a good thing.

Pascal wrote:

To Rojo, Wejo and others that seem a bit less than impressed by Kessler's 1500. Question for you all: How fast would Kessler have to cover 1500 for you to be really impressed? 3:32? sub-3:30? Just wondering what would do the trick?

LOL - I don't think anything would do the trick... If he ran 3:30 tomorrow, then it would just be more complaints about the shoes, or whether the track was 'too fast', or whether he is on some sort of juice.

I try to appreciate all track and field performances.

When someone achieves a great result I usually admire it and don't try to detract from what they have done.

Wasn't Rojo the one riding the Nuguse train but suddenly isn't impressed when an 18 year old runs faster?! What a joke.

I really hope this is a troll thread started by one of the site's owners. Otherwise it's just another in a long history of idiotic threads and points made by same.

guccislides wrote:

Wasn't Rojo the one riding the Nuguse train but suddenly isn't impressed when an 18 year old runs faster?! What a joke.

It's probably BECAUSE he's such a Nuguse fanboy that he's unimpressed. Kessler is now faster than his favorite runner, and Rojo took that personally.