Nothing to see here: Kiwi weight lifter is Olympic bound and may win medal at age 43 after transitioning to women's competition

America's fury wrote:

Brianruns10 wrote:

Women in athletics were long treated as second class citizens, still are, and only now, when the specter of trans athletes competing with them, do you all suddenly care about the sanctity, the fairness for cisfemale athletes?

This is a sport of inclusion, and dignity, and winning is the least important thing about it, at least, it is to me.

Brian Rose

Getting to the Olympics is 100% about winning and competing with the best athletes in the world. Are you gonna complain when they don't give participation trophies to everyone who attempts to qualify?

And where the fvck do you get the idea we don't care about women's sports? Do you completely ignore half the posts about running? Gfy

He is trying to reconcile the cognitive dissonance in his own head about people trying to stick up for women's sports. He wants to believe that it's more about people being mean to trans athletes and not protecting women's sports so he doesn't have to burden himself with actually debating those who disagree with him and just resort to calling them bigots so he can feel like he "wins the argument." You see it here a lot. When One side starts to lose the argument (as they inevitably do because their arguments suck) likes to call others "covid deniers who want to kill grandma" if you disagree with lockdowns/covid measures, "racists" if you disagree with police brutality or race-based issues, and now transphobes if you don't think men should be competing with women in sports. Don't fall for this tactic, it just means they have lost the debate.

And this is for the f---ing idiots out there that said this sort of thing will never happen...

This is the opening of the floodgates on this issue and once the precedent is set we aren't going back.

So stop and think about that for a moment.

rojo wrote:

Those citing the Renee Richards case - great job. I remember "her" as a kid.

It's good to be reminded of that as every time I think the world couldn't get any more crazy or the US is at an alltime low, it's good to remember that crazy/bad stuff has been going on for a long time.

In teh 70s, a transgender athlete was allowed to play pro women's tennis. How in the world was that allowed back then?

We act like politics is at an all time low now but In the 60s, people like MLK, JFK were killed.

Women's tennis is an example that supports the belief there will not be "fakers". There are probably hundreds of male players, some living in near poverty, that could dominate women's tennis even after hormone treatments. Sweeping the majors would be about 15M in prize money, but no one has gone for it. Hormone treatments and the social ramifications are too big a price to pay for someone trying to game the system.

Brad Avenue Runner wrote:

Come back at this again once you've worked out how to compete as an athlete and carry the equipment necessary to sustain a baby for 9 months.

"Oh but Michael Phelps has very long arms" I hear the cry of the under-achiever say. Not 7 x longer than his next nearest competitor though, does he?

Exactly. Phelps sister has long arms she is not winning the Olympics against men.

wrte wrote:

That's Armstronglivs.

😂😂😂

Even Kat Jenner knows this is wrong lol. He sounded quite sane in her interview the other day. Not bad. Definitely an improvement for the cesspool that has become California. She’ll find out that the media won’t be so nice now that she isn’t one of their sheep.

good luck to her . nz needs all the medals we can get . rules are rules ,, im guessing this means a hell of a lot more to her than anybody else on this forum . life evolves and if sport is going to be a part of life then it to needs to evolve

Up your nose with a rubber hose, Brian Rose.

STOP the judgements! wrote:

Hey Rednecks, just ignore them if you don't like them. They are only a very, very small percentage of humans. Do you like being judged??

Don't be obtuse. Everyone know "trans rights" is a political issue.

Most people who aren't enthusiastically pro-trannies probably feel sympathy for them on a human level (myself included).

That doesn't mean we should re-shape language, society and athletics to confirm because of 1% of the population.

wrte wrote:

That's Armstronglivs.

😂😂😂

It's true. A very good high school male golfer could completely dominate women's professional golf. In fact, several guys on the senior tour would dominate the women's tour. The amount of money in women's golf is millions of dollars. But we've yet to see a single trans golfer make that jump. It would be interesting to watch if it happened. I suspect the affected female golfers will not be happy when/if it happens.

the media is corrupt wrote:

wrte wrote:

That's Armstronglivs.

😂😂😂

I know you're hot for her. Er - him. Your type.

IMO society is still catching up in this respect. That is, society is just in the last few years seeing trans as something other than a sideshow. The increased acceptance of trans rights (which in society is probably good) lowers the stigma and opens the door slightly for sports based transition.

If transition is cheered by 25%, mocked by 25%, and the rest are indifferent then the possibility of millions in payout starts wooing a whole lot of people.

math2 wrote:

The increased acceptance of trans rights (which in society is probably good)

You don't even have the confidence to say, "It is definitely good."

It is unfair for biological males to compete against women. They have testosterone, thicker bones, and longer limbs.

You cannot deny the scientific facts.

I stand with Caitlyn on this.

You may think you are fighting to keep it pure and fair, but you are just slowly strangling it. And I'll be goddamned if I'm a party to it. This is a sport of inclusion, and dignity, and winning is the least important thing about it, at least, it is to me. It's about doing one's personal best. It's about pushing others to do their best. Damn the medals. Damn the podium. Damn it all. I would rather lose a race where all are welcome, than win in a race that excludes some individuals. All should be welcome. And that so many of you do not feel this way, feel so insecure, so fearful of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are, sickens me.

Brian Rose[/quote]

Up your nose with a rubber hose, Brian Rose.[/quote]

Your dreams are your ticket out.

Weightlifing's Olympic qualifying rules are unfortunate in terms of a country only being able to send one athlete max per weight class. If the best athletes were invited Hubbard would have zero chance of medaling, literally none.

Of those that will qualify, the top two are in a league of their own. Third place looks to be up for grabs between about 6-8 individuals, with Hubbard in the middle of that group.

Hubbard ranks 17th via in-competition points in the +87 category (super heavyweight) so will not get the national auto-qualifier, but instead would need to get in on the continental (Oceania) qualifier.

Don't be surprised if Hubbard doesn't even get selected to make the trip to Tokyo.

Not here to voice my opinion on the matter, just giving a little more insight since few people here actually follow weightlifting.

hombre3000 wrote:

wrte wrote:

That's Armstronglivs.

😂😂😂

You've got a crush on her. Don't deny it.

Now this is a subject worthy of protest. Her competitors should all refuse to compete and see how they respond.