Elijah Manangoi provisionally suspended for whereabouts failures

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Maybe...

His brother ran 3:31 in Monaco for a massive PB in June. He won the African games. He bombed out in Doha, but it's not like that's too surprising.

Why is it not too surprising that a guy who ran 3:31 in Monaco a couple of months before, finished 10th in his heat? He was supposed to be on the same level as Jakob, yet Jakob apparently went home devastated after finishing 5th and 4th.

Yet he absolutely bombs in Doha just after his brother conveniently hurts his ankle in training, at the end of a strange season for both of them.

Will be interesting to see how Tim fares in Monaco. If he does poorly (as all his fans even are predicting), then it's reasonable to question whether the lockdown and disappointment at the Olympics postponement are the only causes.

600mRunner wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of whereabouts failures...

Not a big fan either and I believe there are clean athletes who have had multiple whereabouts misses. However, if my career, my livelihood, my reputation and my chance at fame & fortune depended on me watching Pretty Woman for one hour at the same time each day, as painful as that might be, I would do it. Nobody is perfect! Perhaps, one day I lost focus, my alarm clock didn't go off, I got stuck in traffic, my Ring doorbell battery died, I was just about to have sex at the exact moment the tester showed up and in a moment of weakness I made the wrong choice -or for whatever reason I missed a test. Whatever circumstances caused me to miss a test, the chances of it happening again is highly unlikely and the only way it is going to happen a third time is because I don't want to take the test (period)

Semiler wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I don't think your arguments make a ton of sense.

Horror race in late May. Go back to Africa. Then, despite injuries and everything starts talking about setting a WR. Go have a look at the Stockholm 1500m. Do not skip the intro of the racers as Elijah has a very funny face.

When did he talk about a WR in 2019? If in 2020, it's probably from a general, aspirational POV. He is someone who has been talking about setting the WR in general terms since 2017.

Also, that Stockholm race if anything confirms his injury. In the intros, he looks very nervous. 100 meters in he noticeably hobbles, nearly bumps into Cheruiyot who gestures like "are you OK?" He battles through it for a lap or two and then basically gives up.

El Keniano wrote:

More on the way, apparently.

https://twitter.com/saddiqueshaban/status/1286278097352962049?s=21

Last post here, guys. So long ??

Second last actually.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If my own (Commonwealth) country produced a stream of doping violations like that coming out of Kenya I would consider our national sport a disgrace and corrupted to the core. There would be nothing to support as a fan. That is not to say that doping will not be going on somewhere in my country, but the analogy might be that there could be a few instances of white-collar crime as distinct from a general climate of corruption and fraud. As there appears to be in Kenyan running.

Doping Lives Matter.

Coevett wrote:

Why is it not too surprising that a guy who ran 3:31 in Monaco a couple of months before, finished 10th in his heat? He was supposed to be on the same level as Jakob, yet Jakob apparently went home devastated after finishing 5th and 4th.

Yet he absolutely bombs in Doha just after his brother conveniently hurts his ankle in training, at the end of a strange season for both of them.

Will be interesting to see how Tim fares in Monaco. If he does poorly (as all his fans even are predicting), then it's reasonable to question whether the lockdown and disappointment at the Olympics postponement are the only causes.

Point of order, he ran 3:31.49 for 6th to be clear. Grice ran much faster in the same race and he didn't even make the British team, so a one-off fast time only means so much.

Jakob was running 2nd in pretty much every 1500 that DL season, he was undoubtedly the better athlete by Doha. Can't really see the comp. I know Manangoi beat him in some juniors comp, but it seems that was more about Jakob underachieving/not being the best finisher in championship races than Manangoi.

G. Manangoi badly mishandled his heat, but he's an inexperienced athlete who had broken 3:35 once in his life, and was only 18 at the time. Tefera was only 7th in that heat. The whole top 10 was .7 apart.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Semiler wrote:

Horror race in late May. Go back to Africa. Then, despite injuries and everything starts talking about setting a WR. Go have a look at the Stockholm 1500m. Do not skip the intro of the racers as Elijah has a very funny face.

When did he talk about a WR in 2019? If in 2020, it's probably from a general, aspirational POV. He is someone who has been talking about setting the WR in general terms since 2017.

Also, that Stockholm race if anything confirms his injury. In the intros, he looks very nervous. 100 meters in he noticeably hobbles, nearly bumps into Cheruiyot who gestures like "are you OK?" He battles through it for a lap or two and then basically gives up.

May 28, 2019. Very specific about time and place. Does not mention recent hamstring injury despite his race in Stockholm was on the blocks.

He doesn't battle through it as he shows no signs of pain.

Sapel wrote:

Whereabout failures during COVID Pandemic should be annulled. These guys have life going on in poor nations.

Surely they would be more likely to at home than normal!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Sapel wrote:

Whereabout failures during COVID Pandemic should be annulled. These guys have life going on in poor nations.

Surely they would be more likely to at home than normal!

Actually the missed tests were in 2019.

Has same coach as Asbel Kiprop

Kiprop's coach isn't the same as Manangoi's. Manangoi's wr prediction came before injury.

Yes the comments came a couple days before he pretty obviously tweaked the hamstring in the Stockholm in a 1500 where it appears he went out at 13 seconds or faster for the first 100.

Manangoi does not have the doping trademark before the missed tests in my view (Aside from being very good). He races at many meets, is consistent, was talented as a junior (in the 400 especially), doesn’t have a dodgy group/coach as far as we know. That’s not to say he’s innocent. He is guilty of missing tests either way.

These whereabouts test are more racially and culturally biased than the SAT is.

WADA should invest all their money on Drug Testing Lab Research and create a super lab that can detect anything regardless of when you took the drugs. This Whereabout failures is starting to get ridiculous and doesn't feel like we are in the 21st century .

Internetsherlock wrote:

WADA should invest all their money on Drug Testing Lab Research and create a super lab that can detect anything regardless of when you took the drugs. This Whereabout failures is starting to get ridiculous and doesn't feel like we are in the 21st century .

Tests only work if athletes willingly take them. An athlete dodging a test, looks like a whereabouts failure. Athletes dodge when they will test dirty. A better test would just create more whereabouts failures.

Sous Chef wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If my own (Commonwealth) country produced a stream of doping violations like that coming out of Kenya I would consider our national sport a disgrace and corrupted to the core. There would be nothing to support as a fan. That is not to say that doping will not be going on somewhere in my country, but the analogy might be that there could be a few instances of white-collar crime as distinct from a general climate of corruption and fraud. As there appears to be in Kenyan running.

Doping Lives Matter.

Your point being?

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Kiprop's coach isn't the same as Manangoi's. Manangoi's wr prediction came before injury.

Everybody knows Kiprop and Elijah were best buddies. It is still not established when this hamstring injury took place. There are claims "the week before", "during Stockholm race" and even after Stockholm. Are we even sure he was injured? Maybe he was out of sauce supply due to increased AIU efforts and bust of Kiprop.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Yes the comments came a couple days before he pretty obviously tweaked the hamstring in the Stockholm in a 1500 where it appears he went out at 13 seconds or faster for the first 100.

Manangoi does not have the doping trademark before the missed tests in my view (Aside from being very good). He races at many meets, is consistent, was talented as a junior (in the 400 especially), doesn’t have a dodgy group/coach as far as we know. That’s not to say he’s innocent. He is guilty of missing tests either way.

Lol, he doesn't have the same coach as Kiprop but they were very close and Manàngoi considered him his mentor. Defended Kiprop after his bust and boasted of running sub 3:26 in Monaco. The guy is very flash on Instagram and it's clear he's financially motivated. Let's be realistic -1 in 5 top Kenyans have now been caught, and the likelihood is at least 50% of international Kenyan runners are doped. He had a bizarre season last year (the year after his mentor was busted) and so did George. My guess is the Kiprop bust probably spooked him. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the top Kenyan who jumped out of the window to escape the testers was Manàngoi. Maybe that's how he hurt his ankle.

Coevett wrote:

Let's be realistic -1 in 5 top Kenyans have now been caught, and the likelihood is at least 50% of international Kenyan runners are doped.

How is it realistic to make up statistics?

Coevett wrote:

Now you'll o doubt produce a wall of text full of pseudo statistics that Casual Observer will reply back and forth to for the next 20 pages.

No!!!✋, please, please, please, not another thread rekrunner'ed.?