"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Noyankee wrote:

antivaxxers kiIling-democracy wrote:

You don't want any of this, I have a great jab.

Typical p*ssy lib w an excuse. Good luck with that unknown that now controls you.

You're being trolled by vaccinatedspermguzzler and are too dense to even see it, lmao.

Credit where credit is due, you are an absolute artist vaccinatedspermguzzler

Chicago may have the most up-to-date data on vaccine efficacy against hospitalization during the Omicron surge:

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/breakthrough.html

This looks -outstanding- even without correcting for Simpson's effects.

Good news!

So, when all is well & good in Chicago and the pandemic is pretty much over for the Windy City, does Liberal leadership rescind the strict vaccine mandate?

What about other cities in Blue states where the mayors have implemented strict vaccine mandates with no testing option - when things get better do they remove the mandates?

Because if these mandates are in place forever regardless of the conditions of the pandemic, then I'm relocating to a Red state & city where the Republicans will not enact mandates & strongly support informed consent & medical freedom.

I'm very marketable in my career & can get a good paying job in most of these Red cities where my tax dollars can go to their economies. 🇺🇸

Liberal Politicians are Tyrants wrote:

Because if these mandates are in place forever regardless of the conditions of the pandemic, then I'm relocating to a Red state & city where the Republicans will not enact mandates & strongly support informed consent & medical freedom.

I'm very marketable in my career & can get a good paying job in most of these Red cities where my tax dollars can go to their economies. 🇺🇸

Ok, bye

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

this is it wrote:

Trump loses another voter. Sad.

California Deputy DA Who Fought Vaccine Mandate Dies Abruptly After Falling Ill With COVID at Age 46

https://news.yahoo.com/california-deputy-da-fought-vaccine-131753710.html

The article states it is not clear whether she was vaxed or not.

Didn't the linked article mention that her husband said she had *not* been vaccinated? Or was that a different article about this same death?

Anyway, sorry to see it. A not-elderly and (apparently) not-obese person gone so quickly. Sympathies to her survivors.

Yeah,about that... wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

The article states it is not clear whether she was vaxed or not.

Didn't the linked article mention that her husband said she had *not* been vaccinated? Or was that a different article about this same death?

Anyway, sorry to see it. A not-elderly and (apparently) not-obese person gone so quickly. Sympathies to her survivors.

The same article quotes her husband saying she was not vaccinated.

Harambe wrote:

Chicago may have the most up-to-date data on vaccine efficacy against hospitalization during the Omicron surge:

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/breakthrough.html

This looks -outstanding- even without correcting for Simpson's effects.

Good news!

And again, it is worth noting the data ends on Dec. 25th, covers a number of weeks where Omicron wasn't even in the data set and likely involved some data massaging. Hospitalizations from Thanksgiving to Christmas wouldn't likely have any hospitalization data in it. Who do we really believe has better data, entities with single provider medical care like Canada, the UK, etc. with more up to date data with actual Omicron hitting their statistics who suggest that breakthrough infections and hospitalizations among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals are much closer, or the old data you have been sharing from the CDC, Chicago and New York that suggest they are far apart?

Which do you think is more accurate with respect to where we are today with Omicron?

data from New York on Dec. 20th that claims the unvaccinated case rate is 6.3 times the vaccinated case rate

data from the CDC from October that claims the unvaccinated case rate is 5 times the vaccinated case rate

data from Chicago from Thanksgiving through Christmas that claims the unvaccinated case rate is more than 2 times the vaccinated case rate (although the chart shows it decreasing).

data from the UKHSA where the vaccinated case rate from weeks 47-50 was 40% higher among vaccinated adults than unvaccinated adults.

data from Ontario from 1/4/2022 that has the 7-day average vaccinated case rate (101.4 cases per 100k) 29.7% higher than the unvaccinated case rate (78.14 cases per 100k).

Which one of those are you going to say gives the best picture of where things stand today with respect to COVID (because a lot of the data you are pointing to doesn't realistically have much in the way of Omicron in the data)?

Wake me up when the UKHSA publishes their week 1 data on January 6 or when Ontario catches up on its data in a couple more days. I don't trust anything that comes out of Chicago or Lightfoot or New York, or any of the other liberal run cities that intentionally present flawed, old data as fact (they really don't have a good handle on who is and isn't vaccinated, so they end up lumping a bunch of vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths in with the unvaccinated). On top of the fact that most of their breakthrough data is weeks, if not months old.

You're living in the past, man. Wake up and smell the science.

Umm... If it's the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" how come everyone I know with covid at the moment is double- (and in most cases triple-) vaccinated?

Man Overboard wrote:

Umm... If it's the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" how come everyone I know with covid at the moment is double- (and in most cases triple-) vaccinated?

Because technically most people are vaccinated. The likelihood your contacts will be vaccinated in this context is high. Math is hard!

Joe what's the point in discussing this if your last paragraphs states you categorically wont accept data from many places?

Until you can show data that the vaccines are failing to prevent hospitalizations and deaths you are still just a "two-weeker"

More data to support boosting:

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478470030559899648?s=20

2600 bro wrote:

Joe what's the point in discussing this if your last paragraphs states you categorically wont accept data from many places?

Until you can show data that the vaccines are failing to prevent hospitalizations and deaths you are still just a "two-weeker"

Wait. Aren’t you the guy that posted a study fro October as evidence that vaccine were working against Omicron?

joed|rty wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Joe what's the point in discussing this if your last paragraphs states you categorically wont accept data from many places?

Until you can show data that the vaccines are failing to prevent hospitalizations and deaths you are still just a "two-weeker"

Wait. Aren’t you the guy that posted a study fro October as evidence that vaccine were working against Omicron?

Durable, robust T cell response is crucial for efficacy against new variants as the T cell reactive epitopes on the S protein are not highly mutagenic regions!

The vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease throughout many, many antibody-focused antigenic changes.

But joe... I am more than happy to just "wait two weeks" until lots of places are still reporting much higher hospitalization rates for unvax folks. It's not like I am the one waiting (praying?) for the ball to drop here....

The dutch fake their numbers too?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v1

Danes*

antivaxxers killing democracy wrote:

Man Overboard wrote:

Umm... If it's the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" how come everyone I know with covid at the moment is double- (and in most cases triple-) vaccinated?

Because technically most people are vaccinated. The likelihood your contacts will be vaccinated in this context is high. Math is hard!

That isn't very responsive, What is the actual rate of infection for each category? That varies by location pretty randomly. I have a hard time believing vaccinated rates of symptomatic Covid cases, could be equal, higher, or even close to equal for a vaccinated and unvaccinated, and yet severe cases hit unvaccinated more than vaccinated. One must admit, at least on the surface that doesn't make sense. If there were a globally distributed super-low infection rate in vaccinated to unvaccinated, I'd take that at surface level.

Otherwise, this is a questionable "talking point".

Today on NPR, it was discussed that a more old school vax, that has been successful in the past is needed. Cheaper and perhaps more proven. Sorry, I don't have the link. Someone else probably listened.

Let's see where the dust settles. If the vaccinations were more successful there would be no need for this thread and arguing about goal posts.

2600 bro wrote:

But joe... I am more than happy to just "wait two weeks" until lots of places are still reporting much higher hospitalization rates for unvax folks. It's not like I am the one waiting (praying?) for the ball to drop here....

Ontario - 67% of hospitalizations (including ICU) are vaccinated

Vaccination rate = 77%

We'll have updated UK data on 1/6 (but the reports encompass a four-week period, so it won't show up to date stats, which are more meaningful, but it is better than the garbage they shovel out in the US. At last check, the vaccinated made up 53.58% of hospitalizations in the UK (for comparison's sake, in Ontario, the vaccinated made up 37.5% of hospitalization over the same period). Currently, that rate is at 67%, meaning that the vaccinated rate increased by almost 80% relative to the unvaccinated rate. What I am most interested in is seeing the difference between Week 51 report and the week 1 report, as that will provide a clearer picture on how the latest two weeks compare to weeks 47 and 48 and will paint a clearer picture of the real time data on Omicron.

Ontario ICU:

57% vaccinated. The trends are telling.

You've always only sliced specific data that tells your story. Like small counties in Colorado. I am happy to way for loads of Omicron data.

Remember these data are pre-Simpson's correction. something you've fallen for like 100 times.