Atantic Region XC - D3

Is Ramadan that big of a deal? Is Abdallah just not going to be the same again?

I dont know exactly how much fasting effects someone, except for the issues with no water all day can cause fatigue, dehydration, and muscle cramping.

Someone on nyu's team told me Abdallah has only been training since their preseason, and has been just getting stronger every week. If true then watch out

Is Ramadan that big of a deal? Is Abdallah just not going to be the same again?[/quote]

"Abdallah has only been training since their preseason, and has been just getting stronger every week."

If this is true, then I applaud NYU and Coach McDonough. If you have a guy like Abdallah it would be tempting to get him in races as soon as you could, even if he's only halfway in shape. Looks like they're taking a more sensible, longer-term approach.

Actually, it looks like they're doing a *lot* of things right at NYU this year. That was a great team performance at Oshkosh.

My new top 10:

1.Geneseo

2.NYU

3.Cortland

4.RIT

5.TCNJ

6.St. Lawrence

7.Brockport

8.UofR

9.Ithaca

10.RPI

Should be fun watching SUNYAC's to see how Cortland and Geneseo battle it out and then see if Plattsburgh, Oswego, Fredonia, and Oneonta can mix it up a bit with Brockport as well amongst each other!

Sorry runner65 but did you see the NYU results this weekend. They lost to unanimous #1 team in the country and beat the #3 and #7 teams handily. There is no way that geneseo could have run with them this weekend.

My top 10

1. NYU

2. Cortland

3. Geneseo

4. RIT

5. TCNJ

6. SLU

7-10. UofR, Ithaca, Brockport, RPI, etc.

I think RIT could give geneseo a scare if lowe isn't their fourth man at regionals. I also don't think any of the teams outside of the top 6 have a shot at beating SLU and breaking in their. There seems to be a large gap in the region behind SLU.

Look at the results from Albany, SLU is much closer to the rest of the field than the top teams. The team consists of Gaudette, Donahoe and a bunch of freshmen. This team is not designed to place well at regionals.

is fontana fluke ok this season? he had a good outdoor track season last year, but his xc results so far this season don't match up.

1. Cortland

2. Geneseo

3. NYU

4. RIT

5. CNJ

6. Brockport

7. Ithaca

8. SLU

9. Plattsburgh

10. U of R

Question...If RIT can give Geneseo a scare why can't CNJ? Alpaugh finished 6th on the team at albany, and was there 1st man at Paul Short (he got tripped and took a nasty spill right around the mile mark). Rodkowitz who finished 4th on the team at paul short finished 7th at albany. So thats 2 guys that in all likely hood should have scored for CNJ that didn't. Alpaugh should have been up with Kopnicki and Guerriero,and Rodkowitz should have finished as their 4th man.

Well under that reasoning about CNJ, you could also say NYU didnt have a great day since MCgraine and Popeson werent in their top 7, after being there all last year and earlier this season? Plug Popeson in with Shcneider, and Mcgraine in front of both of them, and NYU looks even tougher. say what you want about all the top teams in this region, but of Oshkosh meet, NYU clearly looks top heavy. Two in front of Letts, who was ahead of Nally at PS, and Haverford ran much better at UWO than PS, makes nyu look tough up front. Abdallah 4 weeks from now should be alot fitter if the post about when he started his training is true. Kaul and Finnegan are top 5 type guys, NYU had 2 in front of calvins 2 and while still getting beat soundly, were the closet any d3 school has been to calvin all season.

If all 5 top teams keep it together this region could get 5 to NCAA's for sure.

You all forget that the selection committee is NOT looking at the national polls. The polls are not an NCAA thing - they are just a few people's opinions. You have to report the last 3 meets prior to regionals only. So lets look at Geneseo for instance - that would be their two conference meets and Rochester this past weekend. The two conference meets are against teams from the same region. So if they get 4th lets say at regionals - the committee will look at the 3 meets prior to see if they deserve to go to NCAA's. Did they beat an other team from OUTSIDE their region that made it to NCAA's via that regional meet? NO - thus could have some pretty unhappy campers come NCAA time. It will be up to the Atlantic Region NCAA Committee member to convince the other 7 committee members that the Atlantic Region deserves more than the 2 autos. If he/she does not have the written proof (ie results) - to bad, so sad! We all know that the Atlantic region is stacked this year and as far as we are concerned deserve at least 4 if not 5 teams to go to NCAA's. BUT, remember as far as the committe members go - Geneseo and CNJ are the only teams in recent history that have run at the NCAA's as a team. Some committe members will be saying RIT, Cortland - whodat? Good job by NYU coaches for going to another region to race and beating some teams that will be in the NCAA meet. Because again - some committee members would have been saying NYU - whodat? So talk all you want, but you better make sure the Atlantic Region committee member has all the weapons he/she can to sell the others on.

All well and true, but to think the 8 ncaa people, many of whom are coaches dont know the rankings and who has run well during the year is ridiculous. Geneseo winning Pre-Nats, while not at the end of the season, will be in some peoples heads.

NYU set itself and the region up very nicely. They beat williams earlier in the season, then this past weekend beat haverford (as did cortland at PShort)and Oshkosh who will both make NCAA's out of their region, and beat depauw who might make it from theirs, and emory who could make it from the weak south.

NYU will race teams from 5 other regions at their conference meet as well in 2 weeks. (chicago, wash u, Carn Mell, Case, Emory, and Brandeis, all of which have some chance to make nationals)

Rant and rave all you want - bottom line, the committee can not and will not look at national polls or meets run earlier than the last 3 prior to regionals.

If they show any bias - the NCAA committee will have a lot of crap hit the fan on this new qualifying system.

Interesting problem for Nick McDonough will be sorting out which seven to run at Regionals--or, for that matter, which ten to run at UAA's, given that he's had different guys getting the job done all season. I'd guess their meet this weekend (E. Stroudsburg) may be an audition for the later meets--wouldn't be surprised if Nick keeps most of his top guys out of it.

It's gotta be tough having to leave a 26-minute guy at home, but this is why coaches make the big dough...

The same 11 guys who went to Oshkosh will run UAA's. ESU will be a 'b' and 'c' team race.

Regionals will be the tough call, but these things seem to work themselves out.

FYI, Popeson is in the same boat as abdallah, only been training since pre-season, missed most of the summer with a stress reaction type thing in his shin. So if he can get it together.....

"same *11* guys"?

I thought (but don't know personally) that UAA's and Heps were both 10-man teams. This makes me think I've got the Heps wrong, too...

any other teams sick going into sunyac's? cortland all has strept throat.

Sniff Sniff, I smell an excuse in the making...

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any other teams sick going into sunyac's? cortland all has strept throat.