what does 'drive rates to zero mean?" In a loan there's a lender and a borrower. They find a happy medium and the market clears. there is massive demand for bonds from borrowers, and we had a low-inflation enviro. So the interest rates were low. This fantasy where the Fed is an all-powerful god is just so nuts to me. They control one interest rate and maybe reduce longer rates by 20-50 bps max. Big frikken deal.
Abd there has been speculation in crazy stuff since investing was invented. Humans don't need the Fed to have speculative craziness. Ask Isaac Newton.
Come on, that is silly. The Fed purchased $5 Trillion in bonds from 4/2020 thru 2/2022. Prior to that they purchased $3.4 Trillion in bonds from 2/2008 thru 2/2022. Meanwhile the Federal government reduced tax, shoved money out the door as there would never be any consequences. Guess what? Wrong, 40 year inflation high. Really dumb, not deserving of hero worship. All of them. Stupid turds.
LOL, again, all true. You should apply the same standards of judgment to yourself LOL
LOL agip. If you could only hear yourself, what total nonsense LOL
Actually, I rescind the LOL’s in your case. Feckless, adrift on a sea of uncertainty, sad.
sad, agreed.
but hey help me out. be specific. Put some detail into your critical posts. help me better myself.
Too late, you’re old and dogmatic, haplessly reciting the same formerly emotionally-satisfying mantra from which you have long drawn comfort. Time to withdraw to the self-same echo chamber that you seek, the befuddled old man out to pasture with his flagging stocks and ailing bonds, once great but now the crumbling ruins of a past empire.
Said last week I had become a bear. Interesting to see the market drop like I expected. I definitely did not see the latest inflation report being as bad as it was though. Things are even worse than anyone expected... I see the market going lower from here, possibly down 30% from all time highs. I don't think it will take years to recover though. This time is not as overly exuberant as the dot com bubble, nor do I see things getting as bad as in 2008, but it's impossible to know for sure at this stage. Right now I'm playing things with the expectation we hit 4800 again by sometime next year. I can live with that.
Also, a side thought, kind of blows me away FB stock is as cheap as it is. I think the company definitely doesn't look as good right now as it did two years ago, but it's current PE ratio is around 13. That's nuts for a tech giant.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
but hey help me out. be specific. Put some detail into your critical posts. help me better myself.
Too late, you’re old and dogmatic, haplessly reciting the same formerly emotionally-satisfying mantra from which you have long drawn comfort. Time to withdraw to the self-same echo chamber that you seek, the befuddled old man out to pasture with his flagging stocks and ailing bonds, once great but now the crumbling ruins of a past empire.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
What was the average return after 2008?
the whole point of taking an average is to reduce the effect of outliers like 2008-9.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
Social media is a plague and has amplified every bear market into something way worse than it really is. I mean you seriously have people claiming this is 2008 all over again just because crypto is crashing lmao
Unemployment is like 3.6%. Even if we have some layoffs and go up to 5%, that's still effectively full employment. This is one of the easiest dips of all time to buy.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
Social media is a plague and has amplified every bear market into something way worse than it really is. I mean you seriously have people claiming this is 2008 all over again just because crypto is crashing lmao
Unemployment is like 3.6%. Even if we have some layoffs and go up to 5%, that's still effectively full employment. This is one of the easiest dips of all time to buy.
Must have been iVillage back in 2000. Bet few of you know that one.
Said last week I had become a bear. Interesting to see the market drop like I expected. I definitely did not see the latest inflation report being as bad as it was though. Things are even worse than anyone expected... I see the market going lower from here, possibly down 30% from all time highs. I don't think it will take years to recover though. This time is not as overly exuberant as the dot com bubble, nor do I see things getting as bad as in 2008, but it's impossible to know for sure at this stage. Right now I'm playing things with the expectation we hit 4800 again by sometime next year. I can live with that.
Also, a side thought, kind of blows me away FB stock is as cheap as it is. I think the company definitely doesn't look as good right now as it did two years ago, but it's current PE ratio is around 13. That's nuts for a tech giant.
Barton Biggs (most of you have no idea who he is) would write rhetorically of the plumber giving him stock tips during the Tech Bubble. What was the name Reddit hipster, former runner, doing the same thing this cycle? He even had a bro dude nickname. And this era was not overly exuberant? Certainly not my opinion. This period is by far the strangest and far more delusional. I can’t imagine anyone envisioning the weirdness of policies and beliefs that became mainstream by 2022. Most of it was always B.S.
I would say we bounce from here to ~4,000 then rollover to ~3,500 over the next month. ~3,200 by Labor Day, another 1,000 points lower over winter. I believe Covid lows of ~2,200 are the most optimistic low outcome this cycle.
I would say we bounce from here to ~4,000 then rollover to ~3,500 over the next month. ~3,200 by Labor Day, another 1,000 points lower over winter. I believe Covid lows of ~2,200 are the most optimistic low outcome this cycle.
Said last week I had become a bear. Interesting to see the market drop like I expected. I definitely did not see the latest inflation report being as bad as it was though. Things are even worse than anyone expected... I see the market going lower from here, possibly down 30% from all time highs. I don't think it will take years to recover though. This time is not as overly exuberant as the dot com bubble, nor do I see things getting as bad as in 2008, but it's impossible to know for sure at this stage. Right now I'm playing things with the expectation we hit 4800 again by sometime next year. I can live with that.
Also, a side thought, kind of blows me away FB stock is as cheap as it is. I think the company definitely doesn't look as good right now as it did two years ago, but it's current PE ratio is around 13. That's nuts for a tech giant.
Barton Biggs (most of you have no idea who he is) would write rhetorically of the plumber giving him stock tips during the Tech Bubble. What was the name Reddit hipster, former runner, doing the same thing this cycle? He even had a bro dude nickname. And this era was not overly exuberant? Certainly not my opinion. This period is by far the strangest and far more delusional. I can’t imagine anyone envisioning the weirdness of policies and beliefs that became mainstream by 2022. Most of it was always B.S.
No one who matters cares about anything Reddit has to say.
I just saw a chart - it claimed that after closing in bear market territory, the average SP500 return for the next 365 days is around +25%.
Which shows how hard this is....we're supposed to see times like these as massive opportunities to make a lot of money. But instead many of us are selling.
Indeed, the only business where people run out of the store when things go on sale.
So you will invest very aggressively at this time.