Jess Hull progression - nothing to see here

“Heaps”. You just outed yourself. Opinion rejected on this matter.

Not 6-7 seconds but Hull definitely left time on the track via being too content to run with her peers. Prefontaine this year was the best example. St. Pierre screwed up that race. She wasn't confident enough to go with Welteji and Hull wasn't bold enough to leave St. Pierre behind. It was obvious on the backstretch of lap two and three that Hull wanted to surge ahead and draft behind Welteji. Hull thought St. Pierre was going to make that type of move. But when St. Pierre was content to sit 5 meters behind Hull thought it was her place to do the same thing.

Horses run in packs and too many of these distance runners. It is often ridiculous. They regulate themselves by assigning into a group instead of risking forward even if it means collapse. And sometimes they would collapse. But long term it's immensely beneficial.

Last week in Paris Hull didn't have any of her peers weighing her down. She was actually very fortunate that only Muir was there among the 3:55 crowd. And once Muir decided to sit back Hull was left alone to either go with Kipyegon or get stuck on her own after the pacers dropped out. Fortunately she made the risky but correct choice.

Now it's just a matter of how frequently Hull can pull that off, including when rounds are involved. She also has to decide what to do once all the 3:55 types are back. Does she settle amongst them or take her new role up front with Kipyegon and the Ethiopians?

Impossible for you to know if she is doping, impossible. Just write that you think she is doping, anything is OK.

Carl Lewis whined and cried through his braces about all the guys near him

I have not read this entire thread so my apologies if this has already been addressed.

To a fan looking from the outside, Hull appears significantly leaner this season than previous years. This can have a significant impact on her performances. Whether PEDs were used to achieve this and/or her big time leap is something I have no way of knowing.

PEDs are almost an accepted path of the sport at the top level, so while I am not accusing anyone of doping, there is also no one's discovered use that would shock me.

Faith Kipyegon had a big PR drop down to 3:51 at 27 years old

Well, actually - no. Anyone who has followed the debacle that is Kenyan doping will think that. But you obviously know nothing about it.

Kipyegon also needs to take a "big risk" and run 3:44. In fact, everyone does. "Big risks" are the only way.

That other runners will be doping does nothing to reduce the likelihood of her doping. In fact it increases the possibility, because it shows doping is a norm at the level. But some may dope more than others and make bigger gains.

It says the comment is not a convincing argument for Hull not doping. How would Muir know if she was or wasn't doping?

Your name isn't fake? You don't want to be identified?

Doping isn't the only explanation for improvement but it is the best explanation for the level of improvement she has made. Accordingly I think she is doping and you can quibble over whether that is a "fact" or not. It means I don't buy the twaddle you and others post to claim her improvement is natural.

I like the way massive increases in performance are simply attributed to the desire to run faster. So easy.

No, it isn't impossible. It is based on the probabilities involved. It means I don't accept the arguments being made here that she isn't doping.

I wouldn't use Kipyegon as a comparison with a supposedly "clean" athlete.

Don't know if there is anything left to add, but after watching that 2000 meter world record, it is apparent that she has found a whole new GEAR and she isn't afraid to use it.