Definitely agree that they did not do a good job with the interview. As a previous poster mentioned, if they would have asked those tough questions then the interview probably wouldn’t have happened at all.
Definitely agree that they did not do a good job with the interview. As a previous poster mentioned, if they would have asked those tough questions then the interview probably wouldn’t have happened at all.
Nothing new we learned in a 5 minute clip other than how delusional these women are. This drama needs to be on Dr. Phil with all who were involved. Can be a 2-3 episode special with so much that happened starting from the moment when Wiley met Lauren and Nick Johnson.
That interview was something else. I was rather disturbed by Ms. Wiley's comments regarding the "vulgar" texts that she saw. Based on the timeline as we know it, what sort of pervert shows a high school athlete that they are coaching sexual texts and e-mails? "Hey! Wanna see some twisted stuff that these two crazy chicks sent me?". Just unreal! Why do the Johnsons and Wiley think that this exonerates them?
Anyone find it interesting that she was allowed to interact with a current runner? You can see the three of them sitting together in the interview. You would think the school would prevent this.
I don't think there are any restrictions on interactions between athletes and Lauren in their personal time. Simply that she has been removed from the coaching staff.
What I do find interesting is that we know the Johnson's and people involved in the last few years do not always appear to make the best choices in what is shared. I would think most legal representation would suggest against talking about details of an ongoing civil case on national tv.
You can make statements in support of your innocence. However, making specific statements about details within the case could come back to haunt someone that is going to potentially be testifying before a jury and examined/cross examined by legal teams.
Saying "My truth" about "what I saw" isn't going to go well should phone records be requested and reviewed against your statements.
We know this from previous police documents and a jury will be asked to review a case to determine is a preponderance of evidence deems the defendants innocent or guilty.
This is a link to segments of interviews with all 3 women that did not air on the broadcast Friday. The cut off at the end is fascinating, and the whole Addy segment is chillingly bizarre. No truly hard questions, but it's absolutely worth watching.
Welp, who could have predicted all this? Dirr coming out as "not forcibly doped nor raped" (at least in terms of her own experience) completely nukes Stoffel and Wilson's lawsuit. At this point, it's quite possible that not much more is going to happen.
I wonder if Woods was forced out of his job due to poorly handling this story? If it was found that he was aware Dirr's (and others' positions) that rebutted Stoffel / Wilson, yet he intentionally ignored them to only present the one side to have the "story of his life", that would not be good.
Do you have any idea how/why a civil lawsuit happens?
someone voicing support for a defendant does not “nuke” an accusation of a plaintiff.
there would be no need for a legal system if the world just accepted when someone supports the accused.
You may have just typed the dumbest take in Let's Run history.
Oh. So the defendants deny liability? Well that's that. Geez.
Although the post is certainly asinine, calling it the "dumbest take in Let's Run history" is an awfully high bar to clear.
JEH, what's your relationship to HU?
The rumor has rightfully been going around that Woods was forced out because of this story. As someone who was at the crossroads meet, this man has PROBLEMS. He stalked and chased Wiley after her race, to the point they had to threaten to call the cops on him and stationed a cop at their team camp. Wiley made it very obvious she did not want to talk to him, and he just wouldn't give up. Creepy.
I don't excuse rape... but there is a LOT of accusations with NO evidence. For the amount of crimes being accused how come David woods did not report an ounce of evidence with it? Doping crimes included. Just doesn't add up, and David woods is obsessed. I would be more likely to believe his story if the journalism was professional, but he has gone rogue. I don't want to defend either side, because both arguments have currently gotten out of hand.
I haven’t heard that rumor until now, but I will note that I’ve seen a couple other reporters from the Indy Star accept the buyout from Gannett in the last few weeks, so I’m not sure that it has anything to do with this story.
I'm not implying that you don't look at it this way, but regardless of the lawsuit or it's outcome Lauren Johnson does not deserve to coach at Huntington or anywhere else. She knew her husband was sleeping with athletes on the team, Dirr included, and did not report that to university officials, authorities, or anyone for that matter. She waited literally 3 months until she was confronted in a police interview about her husband's infidelities with women under their care and supervision to come clean. Unless everyone in the police report was lying to police (why self-incriminate?), that's case closed in terms of her job and reputation as a coach. Arguing anything otherwise and defending her (or Nick's) right to coach is how people in charge contribute to situations like the one that developed at HU.
This interview/interviewer giving opportunity to Lauren to portray herself as the persecuted, not confronting her or Aspen about the actual nature of the relationship between Nick and his athletes, or not challenging Lauren's implied assertion that she should be employed because the people in charge are still employed is a soft, enabling joke of a piece of journalism. Make them answer or refuse to answer to the facts already out there.
honestjoe wrote:
The rumor has rightfully been going around that Woods was forced out because of this story. As someone who was at the crossroads meet, this man has PROBLEMS. He stalked and chased Wiley after her race, to the point they had to threaten to call the cops on him and stationed a cop at their team camp. Wiley made it very obvious she did not want to talk to him, and he just wouldn't give up. Creepy.
I don't excuse rape... but there is a LOT of accusations with NO evidence. For the amount of crimes being accused how come David woods did not report an ounce of evidence with it? Doping crimes included. Just doesn't add up, and David woods is obsessed. I would be more likely to believe his story if the journalism was professional, but he has gone rogue. I don't want to defend either side, because both arguments have currently gotten out of hand.
There were 5 indy star reporters the left roughly around the same time.
Did the indy star or its parent company provide any explanation for the departures?
or did the indy star issue a statement or correction for woods article?
He wrote a summary article of the crossroads conference meet for the star.
honestjoe wrote:
The rumor has rightfully been going around that Woods was forced out because of this story. As someone who was at the crossroads meet, this man has PROBLEMS. He stalked and chased Wiley after her race, to the point they had to threaten to call the cops on him and stationed a cop at their team camp. Wiley made it very obvious she did not want to talk to him, and he just wouldn't give up. Creepy.
I don't excuse rape... but there is a LOT of accusations with NO evidence. For the amount of crimes being accused how come David woods did not report an ounce of evidence with it? Doping crimes included. Just doesn't add up, and David woods is obsessed. I would be more likely to believe his story if the journalism was professional, but he has gone rogue. I don't want to defend either side, because both arguments have currently gotten out of hand.
Where is the rumor floating around? His initial article was good journalism.
The news segment was not. He had nothing to do with the news segment.
Some of you are so easily provoked! lol
Astro, Dirr is not a defendant to the lawsuit, but rather very far from it. She actually was a friend and team member of the plaintiffs, while she and Wiley, on the other hand, were / are not friends! She also was a fellow "victim" of Johnson, having had an affair with him that ultimately ended her marriage engagement with another Huntington runner. She was also a recipient of the "forced" injections, but she claims were actually not forced (and that was not doping). If anyone would be a compelling neutral witness in all this mess, it would be Dirr (especially since her reputation is far more harmed in doing so). IMO, in no way should any cogent person dismiss her testimony with "So the defendants deny liability? Well that's that. Geez."
It was also interesting that virtually all of the current Foresters put out the statement that essentially said that the allegations are BS. That should be easily verifiable. In a "He said she said" type of lawsuit that appears to lack any solid evidence whatsoever, that's notable. Of course, maybe that proof will come out, and if so, great. As I have said 100 times, I am not defending the Johnsons or anyone else. They are not, imo, fit to coach (obviously), but I also believe that the notion that they've been able to cast a spell over the team, the school, the HPD, and more, is a stretch. The whole place and the people appear to make a giant cesspool. My only association with the place is flying over it (and I am glad for that). This has truly been a team effort. Go Foresters! Go Indiana - yay!
Constrained, my "relationship" to this story is that it has a number of compelling dynamics. I find the degree to which many people will ascribe "truth" and then act mob-like (hardly able to even palate a more expansive viewpoint!) merely based on a new story, social media, or whatever they are told, to be fascinating. I can't exactly tell if it is more the sheep-like behavior, the impatient blood-thirstiness, or just the inability to think / act reasonably in the absence of information. Consider the "rebuttals"... downvotes, ad hominem, over-the-top butthurt... but very few thoughtful insights. That in itself, is telling.
Evensplit, that's fair. LJ got caught hoping that a bad situation would just go away. It's very common for people to avoid reporting on themselves, especially if they believe they have much to lose in doing so. I am in no way exonerating it, but who could be surprised? I also agree with your take on the "journalism" of this latest news piece. However, I am not sure I understand why this effort was "bad" while the Woods article was "good"? They both seem decidedly slanted - click-baity, gossip tabloid efforts, lacking in significant substance.
Lauren Johnson needs to get her own house and married under control before she worries about coaching or anything. She is definitely not a role model I would ever want my kids around. Not to many women would tolerate their husband sleeping with girls half their age. Who knows maybe they live the upside down pineapple life and she enjoys what he does.
Bob5034 wrote:
Lauren Johnson needs to get her own house and married under control before she worries about coaching or anything. She is definitely not a role model I would ever want my kids around. Not to many women would tolerate their husband sleeping with girls half their age. Who knows maybe they live the upside down pineapple life and she enjoys what he does.
Agreed.
It’s telling how to police report, the actual objective facts on this case, actually make all of this look. Johnson and Wiley and Dirr can lie and rationalize are they want.
At the absolute, bare minimum, very least:
Nick Johnson was sleeping with his athletes, and his wife knew about it and did nothing.
That’s it. That’s all anybody needs to know. Lauren and Nick should never coach again.
In both grooming and doping situations, people connected to it will often deny it. Wiley already refused to implicate Johnson, and is she going to admit doping? Would all the other team members? Of course not. And you think Lauren Johnson is unbiased? You are an apologist. Nothing more.