Covid has mutated into Omicron which is no worse than the common cold. Each mutation gets weaker and weaker. Per the CDC, Omicron variant now makes up 73% of Covid infections diagnosed in U.S.
In other words, everybody is going to get the less deadly strain of COVID and benefit from natural immunity.
People are catching colds and the flu in the winter, what a shocker. 🤦♂️
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Covid has mutated into Omicron which is no worse than the common cold. Each mutation gets weaker and weaker. Per the CDC, Omicron variant now makes up 73% of Covid infections diagnosed in U.S.
In other words, everybody is going to get the less deadly strain of COVID and benefit from natural immunity.
People are catching colds and the flu in the winter, what a shocker. 🤦♂️
While you are wrong that each mutation is necessarily generating a “weaker” virus… it does appear Omicron is less severe which is great news given how much more transmissible it is.
Well isn't this a surprise:
The first American believed to have died of Omicron was an unvaccinated Texan in his 50s.
The man, who died on Monday, had underlying conditions and had caught COVID-19 once before.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-american-die-omicron-variant-143934178.html
Natural immunity.....not with Omicron.
https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503
Natural immunity.....not with Omicron.
https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503
347893 wrote:
Natural immunity.....not with Omicron.
https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503
Truth be told there is no vaccinated immunity to Omicron either. I think data from the US Senate, White House, every major sports league, etc. have made that abundantly clear. Essentially nobody can lay claim to being protected from Omicron.
Man Overboard wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Nothing is 'crystal clear' and attempting to pass of a quick modelling study done on very early Omicron data reveals how desperate you are to control the narrative. If the authors had though vaccine efficacy was truly -negative- maybe they would have mentioned it in the discussion....
Lastly, please never use the term "OAS" again, it's really unbecoming to see one use word they couldn't understand with a whole year of intense education.
I'm not "desperate" to "control" any narrative. Time is on my side :) OAS is real...and the people pushing vaxx mandates on healthy 5 year olds believing that there's no downside (maybe not you - its not an accusation) will be held to account. I'm here for the long run. Long enough so that when young millennial men hit their 50s and have unexplained cardiac issues I will be able to say 'I told you so' and frankly, 'you should have seen it coming.
Also - OAS is not all that difficult of a concept to understand. Your elitism is unbecoming.
It's not elitism it's just an honest statement about the complexity of immunology. The rise of armchair virology, immunology, vaccinology, etc has been good in some ways (public engagement with science and primary research!) and bad (shoehorning everything into the pet-theory du jour that the contrarians have seized on). OAS is a relatively simple concept but immunology is NOT and characterizing anything as "crystal clear" about a specific immunological response to Omicron at this point in it's pandemic curve is wildly irresponsible. I balk at the overconfidence of many contrarians, especially because they jump from (sub)field to (sub)field proclaiming all sorts of things as 'obvious' evidence of complex biological processes.
I think there's a lot we can say about Omicron based on the limited evidence so far. Nothing should be 'crystal clear,' however.
Of course, the fact that you are borderline gleeful about the prospect of extremely delayed toxicity from the mRNA vaccines (of which there is, of course, no plausible biological mechanism beyond "vaccine bad") suggests I am wasting my time trying to engage with you in good faith.
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
The moment you said "Biden fixed Covid", you exposed yourself as political. The remainder of your response is a feeble attempt at deflection with littered with ad-hominem attacks. Did you take your meds today Harambe?
You still haven't actually refuted my evidence that "Biden fixed COVID" at all. My point stands that vaccines would have saved 100s of thousands of lives had everyone taken them when Biden rolled them out for widespread administrations. That would have, essentially, 'fixed COVID' as the Delta wave that devastated many low-vax areas would have been substantially diminished.
All of this is obviously true, but please, change the subject and whatnot. Dance when I say dance, etc. I enjoy it.
joed|rtty wrote:
347893 wrote:
Natural immunity.....not with Omicron.
https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503Truth be told there is no vaccinated immunity to Omicron either. I think data from the US Senate, White House, every major sports league, etc. have made that abundantly clear. Essentially nobody can lay claim to being protected from Omicron.
2 shots or a prior infection does nothing against mild disease as far as we can tell.
Some building evidence that a booster or hybrid will help you there.
Everyone should be substantially protected against severe disease still, but the difference between say... 85% and 95% protected is a 3-fold increase in risk! Still warrants everyone getting boosted or prior-infected getting the vax.
had underlying conditions
That's the key.
He may very well not have died from omicron -- which is basically a head cold -- but "with" it.
The media pushes that he was unvaxxed and that he had Covid before -- pushing the message that natural immunity does not work (it does) and a jab would have saved him.
More of the same old fear mongering.
Wonder what those underlying conditions were. Seems an actual journalist would have found that out and reported it
Harambe wrote:
joed|rtty wrote:
Truth be told there is no vaccinated immunity to Omicron either. I think data from the US Senate, White House, every major sports league, etc. have made that abundantly clear. Essentially nobody can lay claim to being protected from Omicron.
2 shots or a prior infection does nothing against mild disease as far as we can tell.
Some building evidence that a booster or hybrid will help you there.
Everyone should be substantially protected against severe disease still, but the difference between say... 85% and 95% protected is a 3-fold increase in risk! Still warrants everyone getting boosted or prior-infected getting the vax.
If you ignore the risk you take every time you get another shot of whatever it is they are putting in us and if you think made up numbers(85% to 95% protected) are helpful and if you call unsubstantiated claims by Big Pharma "building evidence".
347893 wrote:
Natural immunity.....not with Omicron.
https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503
Why would you celebrate this? If natural immunity doesn't work, then vaccinated immunity definitely won't work. Natural immunity has antibodies for far more viral proteins than the shots, which is why it has outperformed vaccinated immunity to this point. The fact that both have t-cell protection for at least some of the proteins will hopefully render omicron to a minor infection for most vaccinated or previously infected individuals (the jury is still out, it will become clearer in the coming weeks). Drawing far reaching conclusions from a single case is not very significant.
carmine9 wrote:
had underlying conditions
That's the key.
He may very well not have died from omicron -- which is basically a head cold -- but "with" it.
The media pushes that he was unvaxxed and that he had Covid before -- pushing the message that natural immunity does not work (it does) and a jab would have saved him.
More of the same old fear mongering.
Wonder what those underlying conditions were. Seems an actual journalist would have found that out and reported it
Pro tip: Typically the attending physician declares cause of death, never the "media".
Well, ok then wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
had underlying conditions
That's the key.
He may very well not have died from omicron -- which is basically a head cold -- but "with" it.
The media pushes that he was unvaxxed and that he had Covid before -- pushing the message that natural immunity does not work (it does) and a jab would have saved him.
More of the same old fear mongering.
Wonder what those underlying conditions were. Seems an actual journalist would have found that out and reported it
Pro tip: Typically the attending physician declares cause of death, never the "media".
The poster you quote and many other notorious LRC COVID-deniers (DanM, LFH) entire belief system is based on a mass-conspiracy to overcount COVID deaths and have never provided a shred of evidence for it.
Some good news today:
Compared to earlier Delta infections, after controlling for factors associated with severe disease, SGTF-infected individuals had a lower odds of severe disease (aOR 0.3, 95% CI 0.2-0.6). Conclusion Early analyses suggest a reduced risk of hospitalisation among SGTF-infected individuals when compared to non-SGTF infected individuals in the same time period, and a reduced risk of severe disease when compared to earlier Delta-infected individuals. Some of this reducton is likely a result of high population immunity
1) Omicron is less serious (70% fewer severe outcomes) but not enough to prevent another wave of unvax deaths.
Vaccinated MS patients on anti-CD20 treatment show robust T-cell responses that recognize S from the circulating Delta and Omicron variants. Response rates increased after the third dose, demonstrating that a booster dose might improve cytotoxic T-cell mediated protection against severe disease in patients with low humoral response.
2) T cell response is robust, even in immunocompromised people to the vaccine, after a booster. Vaccination is the path out of the pandemic.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268128v1
2600 bro wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Pro tip: Typically the attending physician declares cause of death, never the "media".
The poster you quote and many other notorious LRC COVID-deniers (DanM, LFH) entire belief system is based on a mass-conspiracy to overcount COVID deaths and have never provided a shred of evidence for it.
The CDC claims that since Jan 1, 2020, the total number of deaths in the US is 791,000 over and above what it would have been if Covid-19 had never appeared.
It has been recently revealed that the CDC and the states have huge discrepancies in their reported numbers on fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and completely unvaccinated Americans.
The truth about the death numbers will come out, as the truth about the vaccination numbers came out.
DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
The poster you quote and many other notorious LRC COVID-deniers (DanM, LFH) entire belief system is based on a mass-conspiracy to overcount COVID deaths and have never provided a shred of evidence for it.
The CDC claims that since Jan 1, 2020, the total number of deaths in the US is 791,000 over and above what it would have been if Covid-19 had never appeared.
It has been recently revealed that the CDC and the states have huge discrepancies in their reported numbers on fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and completely unvaccinated Americans.
The truth about the death numbers will come out, as the truth about the vaccination numbers came out.
So every other country is faking their death statistics too? Both total deaths and COVID deaths.
Your head is so far down the hole it's a bit funny.
Amazing that we are 2 years into this ( and I’ve been right the whole time, but I digress….) abs people still think “the deaths are literally fake!!!1) is an argument worth making.
UK study shows 2 doses gives excellent protection against Delta hospitalization and 3 is even better. (98%!)
Just more good news
Harambe wrote:
Amazing that we are 2 years into this ( and I’ve been right the whole time, but I digress….) abs people still think “the deaths are literally fake!!!1) is an argument worth making.
Did you warn people that J&J is garbage?
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