And property taxes and sales tax.
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Lama Turd wrote:
agip wrote:
Doing my taxes.
I live in a high tax state and I make a solid upper middle-class income.
My effective tax rate is 27.7%, all-in feds, state.That seems...ok. Not sure who could complain.
Main thing is that everyone in my family got free and heavily discounted educations at government institutions, despite our not really needing the break. And obviously we get other things like the rule of law, a strong national defense, fire, police, parks, etc.
Honestly, paying 1/4 of my income to the government for all I get seems a square deal.
Seriously? 27.7% of your income. Not counting Social Security and Medicare I am sure and unemployment taxes and AMT.
I think my family is probably way ahead on SS and medicare...my father had a serious health problem that would have ruined the family by costing cost millions, but it was almost all paid for by medicare.
My mom is in her 90s so she'll get something like 30 years of social security, which is a risk-free, inflation-adjusted annuity. My parents were terrible savers and investors so she would have basically gone broke without Social Security.
Another relative had the state pay for 12 hour/day health care aides. (all of whom were immigrants of course. Lord knows who will take care of old people if we limit immigration)
So yeah, square deal.
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agip wrote:
Doing my taxes.
I live in a high tax state and I make a solid upper middle-class income.
My effective tax rate is 27.7%, all-in feds, state.That seems...ok. Not sure who could complain.
Main thing is that everyone in my family got free and heavily discounted educations at government institutions, despite our not really needing the break. And obviously we get other things like the rule of law, a strong national defense, fire, police, parks, etc.
Honestly, paying 1/4 of my income to the government for all I get seems a square deal.
The people who hate the government and hate taxes mostly hate them because of the way it makes them feel. They FEEL like they are too high regardless of the actual numbers. It doesn't matter how their take home pay compares worldwide or what their standard of living is. Any amount the government takes from them is too much because it makes them feel powerless and thus angry.
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hunter wheres the blow wrote:
agip wrote:
Doing my taxes.
I live in a high tax state and I make a solid upper middle-class income.
My effective tax rate is 27.7%, all-in feds, state.That seems...ok. Not sure who could complain.
Main thing is that everyone in my family got free and heavily discounted educations at government institutions, despite our not really needing the break. And obviously we get other things like the rule of law, a strong national defense, fire, police, parks, etc.
Honestly, paying 1/4 of my income to the government for all I get seems a square deal.
The people who hate the government and hate taxes mostly hate them because of the way it makes them feel. They FEEL like they are too high regardless of the actual numbers. It doesn't matter how their take home pay compare worldwide or what their standard of living is. Any amount the government takes from them is too much because it makes them feel powerless and thus angry.
it's also an easy way to blame someone else for your problems. To say 'Uncle Sam is keeping me down! If I didn't have to pay taxes I'd be able to get ahead!'
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agip wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
The people who hate the government and hate taxes mostly hate them because of the way it makes them feel. They FEEL like they are too high regardless of the actual numbers. It doesn't matter how their take home pay compare worldwide or what their standard of living is. Any amount the government takes from them is too much because it makes them feel powerless and thus angry.
it's also an easy way to blame someone else for your problems. To say 'Uncle Sam is keeping me down! If I didn't have to pay taxes I'd be able to get ahead!'
It's also really hard to tell if you're getting a good deal. Intentionally or not, we've made it pretty difficult to do all the math, analyze the budgets, etc. You have to be pretty smart and pretty motivated to really break it all down and even make a semblance of sense out of it. The world is increasingly complex and it's not very fun to do the work necessary to be an informed citizen. I'm not saying I am either. I couldn't tell you what percentage I paid in taxes.
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GOP Crime Blotter
MADISON COUNTY, Ala. (WHNT) – The man charged with murder after the Madison County Sheriff’s Office found a body in Harvest Thursday has apparent ties to the Alabama and Madison County GOP including working in Senator Tom Butler’s office.
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agip wrote:
GOP Crime Blotter
MADISON COUNTY, Ala. (WHNT) – The man charged with murder after the Madison County Sheriff’s Office found a body in Harvest Thursday has apparent ties to the Alabama and Madison County GOP including working in Senator Tom Butler’s office.
Neat, Madison County is one of my customers
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Here is something that is very interesting to me.
Trumpers will accept any lie that comes out of his mouth as gospel. (We just had noyankee tell us if Trump tells him Victor Orban is a swell guy, that’s good enough for him). Not only will they accept it but they will start arguing that Trump is right about it. They become public advocates for all of Trumps lies. It is now firmly their belief too.
But there is one topic that they part ways with Trump on. The Covid vaccine. Trump is getting lit up on Truth Social by Trumpers because he said the vaccine was effective and saved lives.
What is it about the antivax propaganda and conspiracy that makes it stronger than their love for the dear leader?
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Teaparty Trevor wrote:
Here is something that is very interesting to me.
Trumpers will accept any lie that comes out of his mouth as gospel. (We just had noyankee tell us if Trump tells him Victor Orban is a swell guy, that’s good enough for him). Not only will they accept it but they will start arguing that Trump is right about it. They become public advocates for all of Trumps lies. It is now firmly their belief too.
But there is one topic that they part ways with Trump on. The Covid vaccine. Trump is getting lit up on Truth Social by Trumpers because he said the vaccine was effective and saved lives.
What is it about the antivax propaganda and conspiracy that makes it stronger than their love for the dear leader?
100%. Trump is right. not sure what your issue with Orban is but you certainly seems out of touch. We really don’t care what Trump thinks about the vaccine, the important thing he says is that it’s up to us if we want to take it or not. it’s not up to you. it’s not up to Biden. it’s not up to the school board or the employer. or the CDC. or Late Night talk show hosts. or MSNBC. it’s our decision and our decision only. that’s the beauty of what Trump says. according to you, he has saved millions and millions of lives via his rapid deployment. I think it’s mostly a hoax, and Trump allows individual freedom of opinion. such an awesome leader.
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Noyankee wrote:
Teaparty Trevor wrote:
Here is something that is very interesting to me.
Trumpers will accept any lie that comes out of his mouth as gospel. (We just had noyankee tell us if Trump tells him Victor Orban is a swell guy, that’s good enough for him). Not only will they accept it but they will start arguing that Trump is right about it. They become public advocates for all of Trumps lies. It is now firmly their belief too.
But there is one topic that they part ways with Trump on. The Covid vaccine. Trump is getting lit up on Truth Social by Trumpers because he said the vaccine was effective and saved lives.
What is it about the antivax propaganda and conspiracy that makes it stronger than their love for the dear leader?
100%. Trump is right. not sure what your issue with Orban is but you certainly seems out of touch. We really don’t care what Trump thinks about the vaccine, the important thing he says is that it’s up to us if we want to take it or not. it’s not up to you. it’s not up to Biden. it’s not up to the school board or the employer. or the CDC. or Late Night talk show hosts. or MSNBC. it’s our decision and our decision only. that’s the beauty of what Trump says. according to you, he has saved millions and millions of lives via his rapid deployment. I think it’s mostly a hoax, and Trump allows individual freedom of opinion. such an awesome leader.
No it is not your decision only.
you are fundamentally ignoring the role of civilization in keeping its citizens alive.
You understand Republicans killed hundreds of thousands of Americans with this kind of talk. I know you do. Maaaaybe the ones who died because they wouldn't get vaxxed would like to have a word with you? Or the kids who now have no parents would care to object to your views?
You also understand we have had vaccination requirements in schools and the military for many many generations, right? To keep us all safe? And it's worked?
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KD 📚🌎🌊🇺🇸
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Ivanka Trump was an Advisor to the President, Jared Kushner was a Senior Advisor and Director of the Office of American Innovation, and Lara Trump is now the co-chair of the RNC, but we’re supposed to be mad that Hunter Biden talked to his dad on the phone sometimes.
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Noyankee wrote:
100%. Trump is right. not sure what your issue with Orban is but you certainly seems out of touch. We really don’t care what Trump thinks about the vaccine, the important thing he says is that it’s up to us if we want to take it or not. it’s not up to you. it’s not up to Biden. it’s not up to the school board or the employer. or the CDC. or Late Night talk show hosts. or MSNBC. it’s our decision and our decision only. that’s the beauty of what Trump says. according to you, he has saved millions and millions of lives via his rapid deployment. I think it’s mostly a hoax, and Trump allows individual freedom of opinion. such an awesome leader.
Is Trump right about him winning the 2020 election by a landslide?
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agip wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
100%. Trump is right. not sure what your issue with Orban is but you certainly seems out of touch. We really don’t care what Trump thinks about the vaccine, the important thing he says is that it’s up to us if we want to take it or not. it’s not up to you. it’s not up to Biden. it’s not up to the school board or the employer. or the CDC. or Late Night talk show hosts. or MSNBC. it’s our decision and our decision only. that’s the beauty of what Trump says. according to you, he has saved millions and millions of lives via his rapid deployment. I think it’s mostly a hoax, and Trump allows individual freedom of opinion. such an awesome leader.
No it is not your decision only.
you are fundamentally ignoring the role of civilization in keeping its citizens alive.
You understand Republicans killed hundreds of thousands of Americans with this kind of talk. I know you do. Maaaaybe the ones who died because they wouldn't get vaxxed would like to have a word with you? Or the kids who now have no parents would care to object to your views?
You also understand we have had vaccination requirements in schools and the military for many many generations, right? To keep us all safe? And it's worked?
Last I looked, I’m safe. my kids are safe and feeling good. wife in great shape. co workers still all at work. none of my kids schoolmates have dropped dead. soo, hate to let you in on the secret, but it’s absolutely 100% my decision and my decision only what “medicine” I take and that will never change. far as I can tell, from all the evidence, I have only helped society. those who take that stupid shot are the spreaders…like you.
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Teaparty Trevor wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
100%. Trump is right. not sure what your issue with Orban is but you certainly seems out of touch. We really don’t care what Trump thinks about the vaccine, the important thing he says is that it’s up to us if we want to take it or not. it’s not up to you. it’s not up to Biden. it’s not up to the school board or the employer. or the CDC. or Late Night talk show hosts. or MSNBC. it’s our decision and our decision only. that’s the beauty of what Trump says. according to you, he has saved millions and millions of lives via his rapid deployment. I think it’s mostly a hoax, and Trump allows individual freedom of opinion. such an awesome leader.
Is Trump right about him winning the 2020 election by a landslide?
Most likely, gun to the head have to make a decision, yes. you can believe you overcame 1 in a quadrillion odds in the dead of night and that’s your right. we won’t toss you in prison for your opinion, as looney as it is. I suppose miracles do happen.
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Noyankee wrote:
Last I looked, I’m safe. my kids are safe and feeling good. wife in great shape. co workers still all at work. none of my kids schoolmates have dropped dead. soo, hate to let you in on the secret, but it’s absolutely 100% my decision and my decision only what “medicine” I take and that will never change. far as I can tell, from all the evidence, I have only helped society. those who take that stupid shot are the spreaders…like you.
Trump disagrees with you. He says the shot is very effective and saved millions of lives. And he deserves credit with project warp speed.
is he wrong on this one?
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Noyankee wrote:
agip wrote:
No it is not your decision only.
you are fundamentally ignoring the role of civilization in keeping its citizens alive.
You understand Republicans killed hundreds of thousands of Americans with this kind of talk. I know you do. Maaaaybe the ones who died because they wouldn't get vaxxed would like to have a word with you? Or the kids who now have no parents would care to object to your views?
You also understand we have had vaccination requirements in schools and the military for many many generations, right? To keep us all safe? And it's worked?
Last I looked, I’m safe. my kids are safe and feeling good. wife in great shape. co workers still all at work. none of my kids schoolmates have dropped dead. soo, hate to let you in on the secret, but it’s absolutely 100% my decision and my decision only what “medicine” I take and that will never change. far as I can tell, from all the evidence, I have only helped society. those who take that stupid shot are the spreaders…like you.
apparently you do not understand that hundreds of thousands of Americans died of COVID unnecessarily because the Rs told them lies about the vaccines.
Apparently you have no conception of what life was like before the polio vaccine, the measles vaccine, etc. And those are and should be required of school children and military.
I can't help you other than say you need to read some history. Stat.
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This is how Ron DeSantis is rewarded for his endorsement of Trump
"People that were with DeSanctimonious -- although I'm not going to use that name anymore, it's not respectful. Let's call him Ron DeSanctus."
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agip wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
Last I looked, I’m safe. my kids are safe and feeling good. wife in great shape. co workers still all at work. none of my kids schoolmates have dropped dead. soo, hate to let you in on the secret, but it’s absolutely 100% my decision and my decision only what “medicine” I take and that will never change. far as I can tell, from all the evidence, I have only helped society. those who take that stupid shot are the spreaders…like you.
apparently you do not understand that hundreds of thousands of Americans died of COVID unnecessarily because the Rs told them lies about the vaccines.
Apparently you have no conception of what life was like before the polio vaccine, the measles vaccine, etc. And those are and should be required of school children and military.
I can't help you other than say you need to read some history. Stat.
I’m not that old but I do know that the Polio vaccine was actually a vaccine, ended the spread and ended getting it. this creation does none of that. make a real vaccine and maybe the strong would accept it but right now it’s only the weak who take that crap
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Noyankee wrote:
agip wrote:
apparently you do not understand that hundreds of thousands of Americans died of COVID unnecessarily because the Rs told them lies about the vaccines.
Apparently you have no conception of what life was like before the polio vaccine, the measles vaccine, etc. And those are and should be required of school children and military.
I can't help you other than say you need to read some history. Stat.
I’m not that old but I do know that the Polio vaccine was actually a vaccine, ended the spread and ended getting it. this creation does none of that. make a real vaccine and maybe the strong would accept it but right now it’s only the weak who take that crap
you really don't understand that the R pushback on vaccines killed tens of thousands of Americans. Rs died in far greater proportion than Dems post-vaccine. And no, it's not because of age - that's adjusted for.
Or you do understand that but you are a troll so you ignore it.
Ok. Sick.
"Nearly twice as many Republicans died from Covid-19 than Democrats did,a new study has found.
The initial takeaway is that nearly double the number of Republicans died than Democrats did during the pandemic, and the evidence suggests that vaccine adoption was a key contributing factor to those deaths."“The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available,” the study says.
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agip wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
I’m not that old but I do know that the Polio vaccine was actually a vaccine, ended the spread and ended getting it. this creation does none of that. make a real vaccine and maybe the strong would accept it but right now it’s only the weak who take that crap
you really don't understand that the R pushback on vaccines killed tens of thousands of Americans. Rs died in far greater proportion than Dems post-vaccine. And no, it's not because of age - that's adjusted for.
Or you do understand that but you are a troll so you ignore it.
Ok. Sick.
"Nearly twice as many Republicans died from Covid-19 than Democrats did,a new study has found.
The initial takeaway is that nearly double the number of Republicans died than Democrats did during the pandemic, and the evidence suggests that vaccine adoption was a key contributing factor to those deaths."
“The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available,” the study says.
Do you seriously believe this? you forgot to mention how left wing the yahoo editorial staff is. that fake vaccine did nothing to help anyone. natural immunity was the best antidote. that stuff spread its wings and was gone. read the stats in italy. the wave of deaths were coming down long before Trump rushed the “vaccine”. you are delirious
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