"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Great post. +1.

kibitzer wrote:

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

You're so obstinate you can't accept the fact this is the epidemic of the obese/overweight & unhealthy people who have a sh*load of preexisting conditions and are unvaccinated.

FTFY

Doesnt matter. They still were obese, unhealthy, people who have preexisting conditions. Thats the whole point.

2600 bro wrote:

The chance of a 10 year old dying of COVID is 20X that of dying from J&J vax induced TTS.

For a 25 year old it’s 100X

For a 55 year old it’s 400X

For a 75 year old it’s > 100,000X

The calculus is simple.

The chance of a 10 year old dying of covid is not even close to what you claimed.

In fact, children are at 0 risk of covid.

Your post is disingenuous.

Kids arent at risk of covid.

You dont have kids so stfu

Bullet_Proof wrote:

The chance of a 10 year old dying of covid is not even close to what you claimed.

In fact, children are at 0 risk of covid.

Your post is disingenuous.

Kids arent at risk of covid.

You dont have kids so stfu

Tell that to the kids who have died of MIS-C after COVID.

Any parent who doesn't see the obvious benefits of the vax is either 1) a bad parent or 2) dumb or 3) both.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

The moral thing to do would be to tell them to get off their a*% and lose weight.

I am not getting an mRNA jab because someone made poor lifestyle choices for the last 20 years.

Oh and you also make this country a worse place.

Plenty of health people have died or been seriously injured by COVID. You have many boomer mannerisms (uncontrollable rage among them). I suspect you are in an at-risk population. Don't throw your life and/or health away for politics, bro, and get vaxxed. I won't tell Trump if you won't.

let's think wrote:

"Tens of millions of migrants may be denied COVID-19 vaccines from a global program because some major manufacturers are worried about legal risks from harmful side effects, @Reuters finds

https://reut.rs/3yKOHlv

"

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1471524030230536192

This is a hard pill for Harambre and company to swallow.

it makes cents wrote:

let's think wrote:

"Tens of millions of migrants may be denied COVID-19 vaccines from a global program because some major manufacturers are worried about legal risks from harmful side effects, @Reuters finds

https://reut.rs/3yKOHlv

"

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1471524030230536192

This is a hard pill for Harambre and company to swallow.

Another thing antivaxxers have ruined: they abused the legal system in the 1970s and 1980s to harass vaccine researchers and manufacturers to the point that they were discouraging new vaccines. Congress had to step in to restructure the liability laws and protect the public good of vaccines.

Sadly migrants are in a legal purgatory that appears to be slowing their ability to get vaccinated.

Another fine legacy of antivaxxers to go alongside the pile of bodies they have murdered.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

FTFY

[Doesn't] matter. They still were obese, unhealthy[] people who [had] preexisting conditions. [That's] the whole point.

It is absolutely true that the virus has markedly worse outcomes among the fat, the elderly, and those already in poor health.

But this is America! and we have *tons* (I guess that's literally true) of people in those categories--at least three-quarters of all American adults.

And *within those groups* the ones who are statistically FAR more likely to have worse outcomes are the unvaccinated.

THAT is "the whole point" of this thread.

Harambe wrote:

it makes cents wrote:

This is a hard pill for Harambre and company to swallow.

Another thing antivaxxers have ruined: they abused the legal system in the 1970s and 1980s to harass vaccine researchers and manufacturers to the point that they were discouraging new vaccines. Congress had to step in to restructure the liability laws and protect the public good of vaccines.

Sadly migrants are in a legal purgatory that appears to be slowing their ability to get vaccinated.

Another fine legacy of antivaxxers to go alongside the pile of bodies they have murdered.

You argue like a high school kid that thinks they are a genius but everyone knows you're full of sh*t.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

How come I still am not afraid of a sniffles virus? That has a 99.7% survival rate?

The repetitions of this false "statistic" are becoming tiresome.

It could only be true if nearly all Americans have been infected. But we know they have not been: Multiple posters have been pleased to tell us that *they* haven't been infected, and they don't know anyone who has. I haven't been infected either (multiple tests), and I live in the greater NYC area!

Estimates are that there have been 50 million American cases, but let's generously estimate that twice as many have been positive but haven't had that confirmed by a test. Out of that 150 million total, 800,000+ are dead; if the survival rate were truly 99.7%, "only" 450,000 would be.

And don't say that the difference is trivial. It's 350,000+ Americans: more than the population of Anaheim or Honolulu or Cincinnati or San Juan or Pittsburgh.

Now that you know the "99.7%" is false, please do not repeat it. People who knowingly post falsehoods are FVCKING LIARS.

Ivyguy wrote:

[quote]Bullet_Proof wrote:

Now that you know the "99.7%" is false, please do not repeat it. People who knowingly post falsehoods are ANTIVAXXERS.

Fixed that for you

No one cares about old people dying.

it makes cents wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Another thing antivaxxers have ruined: they abused the legal system in the 1970s and 1980s to harass vaccine researchers and manufacturers to the point that they were discouraging new vaccines. Congress had to step in to restructure the liability laws and protect the public good of vaccines.

Sadly migrants are in a legal purgatory that appears to be slowing their ability to get vaccinated.

Another fine legacy of antivaxxers to go alongside the pile of bodies they have murdered.

You argue like a high school kid that thinks they are a genius but everyone knows you're full of sh*t.

Your link was completely unrelated to the idea of vaccine liability. I accept this a tacit admission that you cannot refute my argument.

Hochal now intends to change the definition of fully vaxxed to include the booster. Starting to lose me here.

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/governor-hochul-intends-to-change-definition-of-fully-vaccinated-to-include-boosters

Bullet_Proof wrote:

The chance of a 10 year old dying of covid is not even close to what you claimed.

In fact, children are at 0 risk of covid.

Your post is disingenuous.

Kids arent at risk of covid.

You dont have kids so stfu

If you want anyone to take you seriously, don't post such obvious falsehoods (or any falsehoods, really).

Admittedly, this paper is looking at Delta, and boosters did mitigate Covid versus that strain, but as John’s Hopkins MD, MPH Marty Makary states, This “study described an absolute ZERO risk of death in un-boosted, vaccinated people <30. Risk of getting very sick was 0.04% (possible immunosuppression? =>boost)”

Omicron has changed the game but appears mild in people who aren’t already susceptible (very old, very fat w significant comorbidities). Plus, the Columbia study suggests that jabs AND boosters are next to useless versus Omicron when looking at antibody neutralization. There is some neutralization but not much.

Doh!

The good news is cell-mediated immunity is still intact versus this strain.

I’m not, nor have I ever been opposed to jabbing the most high risk groups. Those are who are jamming up some hospitals. But kids under 30? Nope, totally unnecessary. Convalescent? An argument can be made for one boost because it provides hybrid “super immunity,” but, again, that’s only considering antibodies. So, convalescent are likely at risk of only a mild cold w Omicron (same with jabbed), but that risk also likely goes up with age and comorbidities. We also have early treatment!

And, yes, the public health *mandate* from the very beginning should’ve been exercise, lose weight, take simple immune boosting supplements. The clot shots are next to useless now anyway.

Exclusivity wrote:

Hochal now intends to change the definition of fully vaxxed to include the booster. Starting to lose me here.

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/governor-hochul-intends-to-change-definition-of-fully-vaccinated-to-include-boosters

And it looks like the vaxx czar intends to do the same thing:

+1

What's your opinion on why this relentless push to vaxx up every man, woman & child in this country? There's something going on beyond politics that seems to center around the vaxx czar & big pharma.

Covidiocy wrote:

The good news is cell-mediated immunity is still intact versus this strain.

I’m not, nor have I ever been opposed to jabbing the most high risk groups. Those are who are jamming up some hospitals. But kids under 30? Nope, totally unnecessary. Convalescent? An argument can be made for one boost because it provides hybrid “super immunity,” but, again, that’s only considering antibodies.

Agree on cell-mediated immunity and with the argument for boosting convalescents.

There are plenty of examples of serious and moderate disease in young and healthy people at a rate far exceeding the risks of the vaccine. I know many young people who got COVID and were laid out for a week +. Even if that were the worst that could happen, the vax is still so safe it's worth while.