Russia has around 15,000 dead, another 5000 injured or deserted or captured. Do you dispute those numbers?
Common sense disputes those numbers...
WIA is very very rarely lower than the KIA and you're assuming the Ukrainian numbers are accurate. Ukraine has no idea. Even if they did they would inflate them.
No. It's the fault of the person who ordered the Russian military to invade The Ukraine.
I'll compromise at 50/50.
You cannot provoke a world power on it's own borders for decades and then be stunned when they respond.
The US tried to start a nuclear war for less.
Are we still calling Russia a 'world power'? Seriously! All the bluster and hype and the Russian military by all accounts is an extra corrupt and incompetent version of Hogan's Heroes.
Russia has around 15,000 dead, another 5000 injured or deserted or captured. Do you dispute those numbers?
Common sense disputes those numbers...
WIA is very very rarely lower than the KIA and you're assuming the Ukrainian numbers are accurate. Ukraine has no idea. Even if they did they would inflate them.
remember to count deserters in the total.
I have no way to know if NATO is accurate when it guesses 40k, but let's use the same assumptions.
You cannot provoke a world power on it's own borders for decades and then be stunned when they respond.
The US tried to start a nuclear war for less.
Are we still calling Russia a 'world power'? Seriously! All the bluster and hype and the Russian military by all accounts is an extra corrupt and incompetent version of Hogan's Heroes.
any country with a big nuclear arsenal that invades one country after the next is a world power.
NATO only exists because nations fear being attacked by Russia. Russia is, indeed, a world power.
If Russia had lost that many fighting men, Russia would have withdrawn all troops and called the whole thing off or bomb Ukraine so badly, Ukraine would be like the surface of our moon.
7500-15,000 dead. Another 25,000 “missing” AWOL or captured. Seems right.
If someone "estimated" it, then it must be true!
Judging from figures provided by the Ukraine Defense Force, plotting the curve, we should soon see claims of 250,000 or so Russian killed (out of 190K), about 100 total Ukraine soldiers killed, and about 50,000 Ukrainian Civilians killed, mostly starving women and children hiding in schools and hospitals.
7500-15,000 dead. Another 25,000 “missing” AWOL or captured. Seems right.
If someone "estimated" it, then it must be true!
Judging from figures provided by the Ukraine Defense Force, plotting the curve, we should soon see claims of 250,000 or so Russian killed (out of 190K), about 100 total Ukraine soldiers killed, and about 50,000 Ukrainian Civilians killed, mostly starving women and children hiding in schools and hospitals.
to be fair, the NATO estimate is 'up to' 40,000 KIA, MIA, WIA, POW, AWOL.
adding the 'up to' language gives them a lot of wriggle room. They aren't literally saying 40k.
Over the entire 8 years of the Iraq war, the US had just over 4,500 KIA. The fact there are varying reports of Russian casualties being in the neighborhood of 10,000 is pretty extraordinary considering that the Russian side of the Chechen war had about 7,000 KIA over the course of a very violent 9 month campaign.
Over the entire 8 years of the Iraq war, the US had just over 4,500 KIA. The fact there are varying reports of Russian casualties being in the neighborhood of 10,000 is pretty extraordinary considering that the Russian side of the Chechen war had about 7,000 KIA over the course of a very violent 9 month campaign.
Well, a modern army has never fought a modern army before. Casualties are always very high when both sides are equally matched.
Iraq's army wasn't even modern on paper let alone in reality and the majority of it simply ran away when the air campaign started.
US casualties were low in Iraq because the overwhelming majority of the population wasn't interested in fighting and the ones that were didn't have the means to do anything other than snipe, set IED's, and make suicide attacks.
You cannot provoke a world power on it's own borders for decades and then be stunned when they respond.
The US tried to start a nuclear war for less.
Are we still calling Russia a 'world power'? Seriously! All the bluster and hype and the Russian military by all accounts is an extra corrupt and incompetent version of Hogan's Heroes.
Funny, considering the running joke in Hogan's Heroes was being sent to the Russian front was a sure-fire death sentence...
You and your comrades believe it’s ok to kill innocent people because it has been done in the past.
When cornered you and your comrades say that you are just pointing out the hypocrisy. To what purpose are you doing this? The logical answer is that you are attempting to dehumanize the current ongoing atrocities taken out on women and children. Putin shares your passion.
So if you are not Pro-Putin does that mean that you are just some loser that posts to this board every minute of the day with the purpose of justifying the killing of innocent people?
No one said it's "ok". It's just completely disingenuous to hold Russia to a standard that no other nation on earth meets.
Ukrainians benefit when civilians die. There are videos all over Twitter of Ukrainian civilians complaining to Ukrainian fighters that they are going to get them killed. In one Azov set up howitzers right outside of a kindergarten and the principal was begging them to go somewhere else because the inevitable return fire would hit the school.
There's countless videos of Russians being fired upon from inside civilian buildings. When fired upon soldiers return fire.
If soldiers can't stand up near a building without getting shot they will reduce the building.
It is wildly dishonest to pretend this is just Russians wantonly killing civilians.
The people that are pretending to be the most upset about the killing are the literally the reason the war is happening at all.
This is 100% the fault of NATO, GW Bush, Obama and Biden.
Those poor Russian soldiers that can’t stand near buildings without being fired at. You have the emotional intelligence of a two-year-old.
No one said it's "ok". It's just completely disingenuous to hold Russia to a standard that no other nation on earth meets.
Ukrainians benefit when civilians die. There are videos all over Twitter of Ukrainian civilians complaining to Ukrainian fighters that they are going to get them killed. In one Azov set up howitzers right outside of a kindergarten and the principal was begging them to go somewhere else because the inevitable return fire would hit the school.
There's countless videos of Russians being fired upon from inside civilian buildings. When fired upon soldiers return fire.
If soldiers can't stand up near a building without getting shot they will reduce the building.
It is wildly dishonest to pretend this is just Russians wantonly killing civilians.
The people that are pretending to be the most upset about the killing are the literally the reason the war is happening at all.
This is 100% the fault of NATO, GW Bush, Obama and Biden.
Those poor Russian soldiers that can’t stand near buildings without being fired at. You have the emotional intelligence of a two-year-old.
There's nothing "emotional" about it. Soldiers will defend themselves. Hamas attacks Israel from schools and hospitals for the EXACT same reason Ukrainians defend themselves from hospitals and schools. Dead women and children are great for recruiting people with the "emotional intelligence of a two-year old" to your cause.
You cannot provoke a world power on it's own borders for decades and then be stunned when they respond.
The US tried to start a nuclear war for less.
Are we still calling Russia a 'world power'? Seriously! All the bluster and hype and the Russian military by all accounts is an extra corrupt and incompetent version of Hogan's Heroes.
Well they scared USA and the rest of the world into fiddling while Ukraine burns.
Those poor Russian soldiers that can’t stand near buildings without being fired at. You have the emotional intelligence of a two-year-old.
There's nothing "emotional" about it. Soldiers will defend themselves. Hamas attacks Israel from schools and hospitals for the EXACT same reason Ukrainians defend themselves from hospitals and schools. Dead women and children are great for recruiting people with the "emotional intelligence of a two-year old" to your cause.
That is what I mean. You are not able to connect to what is going on.
The innocent people being killed you think is a tool Ukrainians are using to drive home a message you don't agree with. Read over what you wrote, you are a very sick individual.
No one said it's "ok". It's just completely disingenuous to hold Russia to a standard that no other nation on earth meets.
Ukrainians benefit when civilians die. There are videos all over Twitter of Ukrainian civilians complaining to Ukrainian fighters that they are going to get them killed. In one Azov set up howitzers right outside of a kindergarten and the principal was begging them to go somewhere else because the inevitable return fire would hit the school.
There's countless videos of Russians being fired upon from inside civilian buildings. When fired upon soldiers return fire.
If soldiers can't stand up near a building without getting shot they will reduce the building.
It is wildly dishonest to pretend this is just Russians wantonly killing civilians.
The people that are pretending to be the most upset about the killing are the literally the reason the war is happening at all.
This is 100% the fault of NATO, GW Bush, Obama and Biden.
Those poor Russian soldiers that can’t stand near buildings without being fired at. You have the emotional intelligence of a two-year-old.
This^
A weird trick I learned to avoid killing civilians (and being blamed for it) is to not invade your neighbors without cause.
If you aggressively invade a neighbor, commit to urban warfare, and then feel compelled to level city blocks in service of your imperialist, expansionist, and murderous goals – you are wantonly killing civilians. That's all there is to it.
There's nothing "emotional" about it. Soldiers will defend themselves. Hamas attacks Israel from schools and hospitals for the EXACT same reason Ukrainians defend themselves from hospitals and schools. Dead women and children are great for recruiting people with the "emotional intelligence of a two-year old" to your cause.
That is what I mean. You are not able to connect to what is going on.
The innocent people being killed you think is a tool Ukrainians are using to drive home a message you don't agree with. Read over what you wrote, you are a very sick individual.
You're completely swept up in the PR campaign and wholly unaware that a PR campaign even exists...
There's a reason people de-humanize the "enemy" in conflict. You being ignorant to the realities of war doesn't make the people who understand them "sick".
War bad. Peace good. We all get it. The truth you've stumbled upon isn't nearly as clever or original as you seem to think it is.