Laura Muir posted a photo of her and Hull about to hug post-race. If Muir believes Jessica Hull is clean, the LRC community should lay off. She is the one with the actual stakes and the insider knowledge.
Women cant run 3.50 without a lot of chemical help,and they cant run 3.53 either. I doubt a clean woman can break 4 minutes.
If you start with the assumption (based on what?) that the great, clean Laura Muir (and every other sub 4 runner) is dirty, then why would you even follow track at all?
I’ve read thousands of baseless accusations on this site, but I hadn’t seen anyone find a reason to besmirch Laura Muir. Congrats, you’ve scraped the bottom to find a reason — all women cheat.
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No. Shame on you. It is precisely your view that makes having a clean sport impossible, that no matter how suspicious, no matter how incredible the progression, no matter how suspicious the circumstances, that no matter how insane the time, that we must not question it until a grossly improbable failed test occurs.
I question it, you can question it. Do we know she is doped? No.
Reading comprehension: 6. Back in your corner, Dumby.
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Women cant run 3.50 without a lot of chemical help,and they cant run 3.53 either. I doubt a clean woman can break 4 minutes.
If you start with the assumption (based on what?) that the great, clean Laura Muir (and every other sub 4 runner) is dirty, then why would you even follow track at all?
I’ve read thousands of baseless accusations on this site, but I hadn’t seen anyone find a reason to besmirch Laura Muir. Congrats, you’ve scraped the bottom to find a reason — all women cheat.
Clean my foot! All top athletes dope,men and women,including her. I said she was doping years ago,and others agreed with me.I say every top american,brit,aussie,kenyan,jamaican,french,italian,spanish ethiopian and lots lots more are on drugs. Thats just the sport. In fact its most sports. I even read on here that women cant break 4.03,clean. That wasnt my comment,i dont know who posted it,and i dont know how they came up with that ballpark figure.Also im not sure its true. What i do know is Human beings have a ceiling. If youre asking me to believe that someone from scotland can run cleanly as fast as the best ,highly trained,highly drugged up soviets or russians,i have to say absolutely not. Not possible. Not possible for an aussie either.
Laura Muir posted a photo of her and Hull about to hug post-race. If Muir believes Jessica Hull is clean, the LRC community should lay off. She is the one with the actual stakes and the insider knowledge.
Yes and no. Its been stated that Hull trains largely solo in Oz so vast majority of her time is 1000s of miles distant from Muir. Maybe with the world of SM as it is Muir may have felt obliged to post photo because not to do so on this historic race could have been seen as bitter and kicked off its own silly SM kickback.
I agree that no one can 100% know who’s clean (e.g., Muir can’t 100% know about Hull, and I can’t 100% know about Muir [but I’d bet my life on it]).
But I do believe that Muir’s congratulatory post is sincere (the photo of Hull is too wonderful and shows the affection btw the two — don’t believe Muir would have posted it if she thought Hull could be dirty).
Muir only recently spoke out about the harm done to clean athletes by dopers (she just got a global medal years after the fact).
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Regardless of the petty accusatory bull crap elsewhere on this thread, let's all take a moment to appreciate the feminine power and beauty that is Jess Hull in full flight:
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I find Jess Hull’s progression undeniably suspicious from as early as 2017, especially given her history with current and former NOP-affiliated coaches and now training under her father away from the scrutiny of a recognized group.
It appears that she has overcompensated for her lack of natural talent relative to her peers, Faith Kipyegon and Laura Muir.
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Whataboutism doesn't weaken the case against her. She won't be the only doped athlete in that race.
You write she is a doped athlete while you CAN'T know this, impossible for you to know it. You have every right to suspect her but not that it's a fact that she is doped. Shame on you.
If I have "every right to suspect her" then you are conceding she probably is doped.
Tbf, that trials race was an improvement from a 4:16 mile (~3:57) to a 3:55 1500...hardly 5+ seconds. To put it another way, Nikki and Jessica are nearly the same age (29 vs 27), and in 2019 both had run 4:01 for 1500 (in the same race, no less). Since then, Nikki has had a consistent improvement curve that some find suspicious (it really isn't), and now has a PB of 3:55. Jessica, on the other hand, had a consistent improvement curve for 4 years resulting in a PB of 3:57, and then in the 5th year dropped more time than the last 4 combined to catapult ahead by a full 5 seconds, and is now a legitimate all-time great of the event. Now THAT is suspicious.
And not even accounting for Hiltz running Doha in old spikes while Hull presumably had superspikes. Nikki had the version of the Hull race at Trials (running on rail, paced really well) and improved a few seconds to a non-historic (global) level. If Nikki runs under 3:53 this season hell yeah doping will be brought up by the board.
It has already been brought up. It doesn't need 3:53. From 4:01 in her mid twenties to 3:55 at nearly 30 is enough.
Laura Muir posted a photo of her and Hull about to hug post-race. If Muir believes Jessica Hull is clean, the LRC community should lay off. She is the one with the actual stakes and the insider knowledge.
No athlete knows what any other athlete does privately, unless they share it with them. I also don't think I've read of a runner calling out another for doping who hasn't incurred a violation.
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Laura Muir posted a photo of her and Hull about to hug post-race. If Muir believes Jessica Hull is clean, the LRC community should lay off. She is the one with the actual stakes and the insider knowledge.
Women cant run 3.50 without a lot of chemical help,and they cant run 3.53 either. I doubt a clean woman can break 4 minutes.
I agree with the beginning, but not the end. If athletes like Hull can run 3:50, they should be able to go (a bit) under 4 minutes clean. 3:49 - 3:55 is ridiculous, of course (currently; once the top runs 3:45 in a few years with even better spikes and tracks, I can believe in a clean 3:55).
There is zero chance hull is clean. Zero. Just because one athlete posted a picture of her doesn’t make her clean. Just because the chorus of running media and athletes crying “women’s 1500 sure is stepping up” doesn’t make it clean. A lot of runners at the top are doping and they share that, but you do not go from 3:57 to 3:50 in a year, after years of running professionally without dope. She’s a cheat.
Women cant run 3.50 without a lot of chemical help,and they cant run 3.53 either. I doubt a clean woman can break 4 minutes.
If you start with the assumption (based on what?) that the great, clean Laura Muir (and every other sub 4 runner) is dirty, then why would you even follow track at all?
I’ve read thousands of baseless accusations on this site, but I hadn’t seen anyone find a reason to besmirch Laura Muir. Congrats, you’ve scraped the bottom to find a reason — all women cheat.
Everyone who follows sport is following doping at some point - even those who don't think they are doing that. Like you.
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If Hull is likely doping then it shows that it has put a merely good runner in the same company as the world record holder. It also suggests that doping is how Kipyegon has achieved her dominance.
You write she is a doped athlete while you CAN'T know this, impossible for you to know it. You have every right to suspect her but not that it's a fact that she is doped. Shame on you.
If I have "every right to suspect her" then you are conceding she probably is doped.
I don't know- like you - if she is doped. I'm sceptical because of her enormous improvement at age 27.
Shame on you to write she is a doper when you CAN'T know it.
No. Shame on you. It is precisely your view that makes having a clean sport impossible, that no matter how suspicious, no matter how incredible the progression, no matter how suspicious the circumstances, that no matter how insane the time, that we must not question it until a grossly improbable failed test occurs.
I question it, you can question it. Do we know she is doped? No.
Reading comprehension: 6. Back in your corner, Dumby.
That poster wasn't me. But mine are the only posts you see so you will easily confuse others' posts with mine. But you must be used to being confused.
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