DanM wrote:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fourth-covid-shot-for-all-israelis-a-possibility-health-minister-says/
You still think this is some sort of “gotcha”? Most sane people who know the vaccine is very safe have no concerns about taking a booster to reduce their risk of severe outcomes. Not all vaccines confer long term immunity; waning exists and is expected
not anthony-fauci wrote:
DanM wrote:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fourth-covid-shot-for-all-israelis-a-possibility-health-minister-says/You still think this is some sort of “gotcha”? Most sane people who know the vaccine is very safe have no concerns about taking a booster to reduce their risk of severe outcomes. Not all vaccines confer long term immunity; waning exists and is expected
Right.
If the first three did not do the trick, let's try a 4th. And 5th, 6th, 7th, etc.
Yes, those waning efficacies of the small pox, polio, chicken pox, measles, tuberculosis vaccines are all very well documented.
Of the 8 states with the worst surge in Covid cases in the last week, 7 of them are in the bottom third in the country in percentage vaccinated.
SD - 35th most vaccinated state.
SC - 43rd most vaccinated state.
OK - 42nd most vaccinated state.
NV - 36th most vaccinated state.
MA - 5th most vaccinated state.
TN - 47th most vaccinated state.
MO - 44th most vaccinated state.
KS - 33rd most vaccinated state.
MA is the obvious outlier. The most recent report I could find on exactly who was getting Covid in MA is from November 18, 2021; of 657 patients hospitalized with Covid, 36% were fully vaccinated. This in a state where about 70% are fully vaccinated. So 30% of the population is accounting for 64% of the hospitalizations.
Two weeks to flatten the curve.
Vaccines will save us.
Donald J. Trump, on the coronavirus.
2/10/20
"You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April."
2/25/20
"China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control. So I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away."
2/26/20
"…when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
2/27/20
"It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear."
3/6/20
"Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away."
3/10/20
"We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
6/17/20
"…if you look, the numbers are very minuscule compared to what it was. It’s dying out."
10/10/20
“It’s going to disappear. It is disappearing.”
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
Uhm...per the NY Times today, 10 worst states:
1. New Hampshire (#11)
2. Michigan (#29)
3. Minnesota (#16)
4. Rhode Island (#2) numero dos
5. Vermont (#1) yes numero uno in vaccinations
6. New Mexico (#13)
7. Wisconsin (#21)
8. Indiana (#40)
9. Massachusetts (#5)
10. Ohio (#34)
Wow, this ^^^ is awkward.
Link:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
It's almost like our mitigates are for nothing, that we have very little control over this. That the benefits to the vaccine are limited and fleeting, and it's perfectly reasonable for a healthy person to say NO F'ING THANKS!
All true ^^^.
PS: "Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe ~March 2021 is the when he/she/they/them declared this victory.
This was a response to Lily Hammer's outdated data above. It's easy to cherry pick time frames, data, and variables to suit you. A comprehensive understanding of this subject will render you not afraid. You won't get this from pushers like harambe/2600 bro/clown puncher/ and apparently Lily.
I will never forgive the VAXXERS for forcing their poison on our children. Won't be long now till they're all swept down the RISING RED RIVER. Say goodbye to your heroes, say goodbye to your CULT. History is getting ready to steamroll on without you. And to think I actually voted for Joe Brandon, man, was I fool, NO LONGER! The content of their character henceforth REVEALED, their faith misplaced to the pockets of the PHARM. Foolish and trusting they lineup to be exploited in health and in wealth.
Brethren! Harken to me! Ignore the propaganda, ignore the poisoned minds! You know in your heart what their serum contains! The black cloak of finality INJECTED! Yes it sleeps for a time, but the alteration ripples through the system, imperfection builds upon imperfection, larger and larger till it blocks the intake, the engine seizes, the computer crashes, and the endless night enfolds upon you. RAGE AGAINST authority and trust NO ONE.
Since your link is behind a paywall, you're going to have to do better than that.
Worst in what way?
And then tell us in those states, who is getting hospitalized with Covid and who is dying of Covid? Vaccinated or unvaccinated?
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
PS: "Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe ~March 2021 is the when he/she/they/them declared this victory.
Biden did fix COVID. He delivered and disseminated a cheap, safe, and effective vaccine that -should- have stopped 90+% of COVID deaths since the start of the summer.
However, some people, including probably you, are so politically brainwashed they will literally die to "own the libs."
It is not Biden's fault that 40% of the county refuses to protect themselves with the vaccine. For those of us with IQs over 90, we have largely moved on from COVID. You are stuck repeating the same stuff over and over, desperate to control the devastating narrative that the Democrats, the establishment, and Big Pharma are the ones solving this. It's fun to watch!
The Lily Hammer wrote:
Since your link is behind a paywall, you're going to have to do better than that.
Worst in what way?
And then tell us in those states, who is getting hospitalized with Covid and who is dying of Covid? Vaccinated or unvaccinated?
Behind a pay wall?
I can se it right in his comment on this message board.
And totally exposes your misleading claim with updated info from the NY Times
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
This was a response to Lily Hammer's outdated data above. It's easy to cherry pick time frames, data, and variables to suit you. A comprehensive understanding of this subject will render you not afraid. You won't get this from pushers like harambe/2600 bro/clown puncher/ and apparently Lily.
Vermont is in the top 5 states for recent cases but the bottom 5 for recent deaths.
I wonder why?
Thank you for repeatedly posting evidence that vaccines work!
Harambe wrote:
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
PS: "Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe ~March 2021 is the when he/she/they/them declared this victory.
Biden did fix COVID. He delivered and disseminated a cheap, safe, and effective vaccine that -should- have stopped 90+% of COVID deaths since the start of the summer.
However, some people, including probably you, are so politically brainwashed they will literally die to "own the libs."
It is not Biden's fault that 40% of the county refuses to protect themselves with the vaccine. For those of us with IQs over 90, we have largely moved on from COVID. You are stuck repeating the same stuff over and over, desperate to control the devastating narrative that the Democrats, the establishment, and Big Pharma are the ones solving this. It's fun to watch!
Right.
How could the establishment possibly have guessed that some people would be hesitant to take an experimental hurriedly pushed thru with an emergency authorization under an FDA head he went to work for Moderna months later. They never could have foreseen that hence their claims were based on 100% vax rates.
Harambe wrote:
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
This was a response to Lily Hammer's outdated data above. It's easy to cherry pick time frames, data, and variables to suit you. A comprehensive understanding of this subject will render you not afraid. You won't get this from pushers like harambe/2600 bro/clown puncher/ and apparently Lily.
Vermont is in the top 5 states for recent cases but the bottom 5 for recent deaths.
I wonder why?
Thank you for repeatedly posting evidence that vaccines work!
Classic cheery pick. If even true.
The Lily Hammer wrote:
Of the 8 states with the worst surge in Covid cases in the last week, 7 of them are in the bottom third in the country in percentage vaccinated.
SD - 35th most vaccinated state.
SC - 43rd most vaccinated state.
OK - 42nd most vaccinated state.
NV - 36th most vaccinated state.
MA - 5th most vaccinated state.
TN - 47th most vaccinated state.
MO - 44th most vaccinated state.
KS - 33rd most vaccinated state.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/these-8-states-are-seeing-the-worst-covid-surges-right-now/ss-AARzk24?li=BBnb7Kz#image=2https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccination+rate+by+state&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS831US831&oq=vaccination+rate+by+state&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.5577j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8MA is the obvious outlier. The most recent report I could find on exactly who was getting Covid in MA is from November 18, 2021; of 657 patients hospitalized with Covid, 36% were fully vaccinated. This in a state where about 70% are fully vaccinated. So 30% of the population is accounting for 64% of the hospitalizations.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/11/18/massachusetts-coronavirus-cases-surge-3196-hospitalizations-continue-rising/
All you have noted is seasonal fluctuations in transmission. 12.7% of all breakthrough cases in Massachusetts occurred last week. 10% of all breakthrough hospitalizations in Massachusetts occurred last week. 9.5% of all breakthrough deaths in Massachusetts occurred last week. Massachusetts provides most of the data, but separates it to make it harder to draw conclusions. So I will help you sift through the data.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-report-covid-19-cases-in-vaccinated-individuals-december-7-2021/downloadFrom the MDPH - Please note: Identification of cases in vaccinated people relies on matching data between the system of record for cases and vaccinations. The number of cases in vaccinated people may be undercounted due to discrepancies in the names and dates of birth of individuals, resulting in an inability to match records across systems. Hospitalization data is likely also undercounted .
Vaccinated individuals accounted for 11,321 new cases for the week of 11/28-12/4. For that time period, there were 27,167 confirmed cases, meaning vaccinated individuals comprised 42% of cases (71% of MA is fully vaxxed). Vaccinated individuals accounted for 61 of 86 confirmed deaths (71%) for the week of 11/28-12/4 (71% of MA is fully vaxxed). The hospitalizations get a little more tricky, as they only list new hospitalizations for 11/28-11/30, but if the three day average is extrapolated over the 7 day period, then the 273 new vaccinated hospitalizations compare to an estimated 745 total new hospitalizations over the period from 11/28-12/4 or about 37% of new hospitalizations (71% of MA is fully vaxxed). As noted, these percentages are all UNDERCOUNTS.
So vaccinated people are still extraordinarily protected from death?
You guys make my work easy here.
joed|rtt wrote:
By counting deaths and hospitalizations of vaccinated individuals as unvaccinated [as I have proven (unless you believe that 18.4 vaccinated individuals can be contained in 9.1 million vaccination records, which primarily consists of kids school vaccination records)], it will overstate the efficacy of vaccines among all age groups.
Ignoring your post above analyzing raw case rates in the UK which are obviously subject to many many confounders (and still show great efficacy!), I urge you to think about this statement more closely.
If the vaccine protects against severe disease (you agree it does), mistakenly lumping in vaccinated people with unvaccinated would do what to the severe COVID rate for that population? Basically you are assuming that this supposed mistake only affects the numerator but it also affects the denominator.
Of course, the fact that Texas breaks things out by age group destroys your point so it's not really necessary to keep delving into this.
The CDC is still tracking cases and hospitalizations as well through COVID-NET and other sources.
It's not a good look when, instead of changing your mind upon seeing new data, you simply say "that data is fake."
Maybe...... wrote:
LRC Note. This post has been deleted and the poster banned. Please do not call other people names. Please do not make homophobic remarks. Threads need to stay on topic and not turn into insults between people.
Hear, hear!
So vaccinated people are still extraordinarily protected from death?
You guys make my work easy here.