Democrat presidential debate official thread

This shows that the extreme progressive left reduces the chances of the dems beating Trump.

Conundrum and his right wing extremist friends are terrified that a Progressive Middle candidate will be running against Trump.

Then know the only chance that he has is if Biden will be nominated, so they're pushing hard to make sure that happens.

If Biden was a thread, they'd be chopping him down, but they aren't, knowing it will be EASY to do that if he's nominated.

That plan will fail, because the closet republican child molester has no chance.

The melt down continues` wrote:

Conundrum and his right wing extremist friends are terrified that a Progressive Middle candidate will be running against Trump.

Then know the only chance that he has is if Biden will be nominated, so they're pushing hard to make sure that happens.

If Biden was a thread, they'd be chopping him down, but they aren't, knowing it will be EASY to do that if he's nominated.

That plan will fail, because the closet republican child molester has no chance.

My right wing extremist extremist friends? If that was a troll then 8/10.

My goal is to see the orange con man voted out of office. We do have some good moderate candidates left.

Conundrum wrote:

My right wing extremist extremist friends? If that was a troll then 8/10.

My goal is to see the orange con man voted out of office. We do have some good moderate candidates left.

Nonsense. You'd love to see a Trump / Biden ticket.

Neither of them are moderates, and neither one of them represent the Progressive Middle of this country.

For perspective

There has only been one debate.

First primary is 7 months away.

We have over 500 posts in this.

Most of what we’re talking about will be forgotten before the first vote.

L L wrote:

For perspective

There has only been one debate.

First primary is 7 months away.

We have over 500 posts in this.

Most of what we’re talking about will be forgotten before the first vote.

Agreed but there is a current battle for the heart of the democrat party

L L wrote:

For perspective

There has only been one debate.

First primary is 7 months away.

We have over 500 posts in this.

Most of what we’re talking about will be forgotten before the first vote.

Yep, I agree.

Conundrum wrote:

Agreed but there is a current battle for the heart of the democrat party

Surely you're not rooting for that numbskull Pelosi. She might as well be Trump's secretary.

Previously you said you're not in favor of removing the private health insurance requirement, and replacing it with free government health care. Why not? The cost would be much less overall. Would you care to elaborate?

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This shows that the extreme progressive left reduces the chances of the dems beating Trump.

And speaking of extreme leftists, Kamala Harris rolled out a new housing plan for blacks. How can she afford this if she wants to take care of illegal aliens first? LOL!!!

AOC is cruising for a bruising politically speaking. The establishment long knives are going to be out for her. She is 29, with zero experience in anything, a big combative mouth and zero national appeal. Her proclivity for attacking even those to whom she is beholden will destroy her political career before long. She is a cancer. The irony is that she is not even the real mccoy. She "tried out" for some BS democratic talent spotting entity at some point within the last year or so. Hardly an organic entrant into the political arena! Nancy Pelosi will wipe her asss with young know-nothings like AOC. These infant progressives are going to seed discontent and chaos in the democratic party right at the time strength and organization are needed. She cannot be gone back to Queens or whatever dump she is from soon enough.

Conundrum wrote:

L L wrote:

For perspective

There has only been one debate.

First primary is 7 months away.

We have over 500 posts in this.

Most of what we’re talking about will be forgotten before the first vote.

Agreed but there is a current battle for the heart of the democrat party

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-freshmen-congresswomen-progressives_n_5d219719e4b01b834737f8d8

Oh, posters should remember that it is the DEMOCRATIC party, not the Democrat party. The latter was arrived at by Frank Lunz and pushed by the Republicans (for years now) because focus groups said that it sounded like "rat". If you use it, you are either a trolling Republican or unaware. It is DEMOCRATIC party, not DEMOCRAT party.

DemocratIC wrote:

Oh, posters should remember that it is the DEMOCRATIC party, not the Democrat party. The latter was arrived at by Frank Lunz and pushed by the Republicans (for years now) because focus groups said that it sounded like "rat". If you use it, you are either a trolling Republican or unaware. It is DEMOCRATIC party, not DEMOCRAT party.

You should change your subject line too then! ;-)

Not my thread fella.

Pelosi was handed an opposition president who’s personal attorney was sent to jail for campaign finance crimes involving Trump and couldn’t figure out how to do anything with it.

It’s clear she is losing the battle for the the Democrat party.

Plus she lost control of the House in 2010 after huge gains in 2008 because she couldn’t brand the Affordable Care Act as the great healthcare progress it was.

Old establishment is not trendy these days in either party.

That isn’t good for Biden.

First, democratic, not democrat! You OK with Frank Lunz deciding what you call your own party? Second, if the young clowns like AOC are what the party is becoming, it's going to lose lose lose. AOC and her ilk are fringe players, not the meaty middle the democratic party will need.

L L wrote:

Pelosi was handed an opposition president who’s personal attorney was sent to jail for campaign finance crimes involving Trump and couldn’t figure out how to do anything with it.

It’s clear she is losing the battle for the the Democrat party.

Plus she lost control of the House in 2010 after huge gains in 2008 because she couldn’t brand the Affordable Care Act as the great healthcare progress it was.

Old establishment is not trendy these days in either party.

That isn’t good for Biden.

dunes runner wrote:

L L wrote:

For perspective

There has only been one debate.

First primary is 7 months away.

We have over 500 posts in this.

Most of what we’re talking about will be forgotten before the first vote.

Yep, I agree.

Conundrum wrote:

Agreed but there is a current battle for the heart of the democrat party

Surely you're not rooting for that numbskull Pelosi. She might as well be Trump's secretary.

Previously you said you're not in favor of removing the private health insurance requirement, and replacing it with free government health care. Why not? The cost would be much less overall. Would you care to elaborate?

I think there would be an amazing amount of complications, some of which may not even be seen, with this transformation to all government insurance. Many, such as myself have private insurance, mostly employer provided, that is good and is working for them. Give people a choice, if the government insurance is so great people will eventually choose it. I really can't see why people are against this.

Here is the real critical issue, I want Trump to lose in 2020. The platform the extreme progressives are putting forward have a higher likelihood of losing in the general election. The poll I linked to earlier had only Biden a clear winner with registered voters over Trump. The one time Trump was a clear winner was if a socialist candidate ran against him. Socialism is not the way to brand our party in a general election.

The social democrats have all the passion and energy which means they will be powerful in the primaries, but the general election is completely different. Nancy and Joe are both right.

I think this was a very good and honest post. AOC is from a liberal district and her success there and with her extreme progressive following have given her a faulty picture of the national political scene. Her quick rise in popularity at age 29 also has given her distorted view of her own power and influence. Democrats don't need to be called cowards by their own.

Harris and AOC are going to hurt this party. Warren is extreme in her views but she hasn't attacked fellow dems personally. Elizabeth knows whats at stake.

You know there is zero chance of switching to all government insurance over the next twenty years.

First, it’s not politically possible.

And even if it somehow did get 60 senate votes, a House majority and a president to sign off on it, it would be phased in over many years.

You’re acting like someone could get elected and have it done in one term.

Private insurance as an option will never go away.

Notice there are private schools even though every American has access to free public high school.

Do you fear Medicare as an option to purchase or the expansion of it to people under 65?

Of course there would be complications.

Health insurance is a huge industry. Medical billing is tricky.

Thousands of jobs would be lost or transferred to a government agency.

The obvious step is to firm up the ACA and add a public option that individuals and then businesses could tap into. That pays for itself and expands options. If it works well, it will grow. If private insurers are preferred, they will hang around.

Actually you just articulated my position on this.

So why are candidates saying they want to get rid of private insurance. 1 As you say it can't be done and 2 it is a losing political position in the general election.

That's exactly what they're proposing.

#1- Remove the requirement to have private insurance, and concurrently;

#2- Provide free government health insurance to replace it.

Anyone would still have and be able to keep their private insurance, which is exactly how it was stated.

I disagree with every single thing you have stated in that paragraph. You need to stop looking at polls, stop agreeing with Trump, and start looking at what Progressive Middle America really wants. Trump & Biden and the same ol' same ol' are not it.

Nope. If they win then Trump wins. It's as simple as that. You're either for him or against him.