Lets just end the heel strike debate right now.

wtf100+n wrote:No cults, no rocks.

Only in your tunnel-visioned mind.

Your arrogance will eventually overcome you.

I will not stop until this goal is reached.

Tunnel visioned mind? This whole thread he has been saying run how you run, not to overthink it, and that there is more than one way to run fast.

The cultists are the ones with the tunnel vision mind. Elites don't heel strike, heel strikers are lazy, heel striking is a bad habit, midfoot striking is the only way to run fast...Sounds pretty clear which group are the ones with tunnel vision.

HHH wrote:

The main thing to take away is to not overstride. Dorsiflexing is unnecessary movement in my opinion, but is less crucial. I haven't done any studies on this, but I plan to after I begin medical school next fall.

mmmm, I think I said that. I knew I had you pegged right as someone who just got out of school and was impressed with their new found "knowledge."

P.S. You did not define overstride or back that statement up with facts.

gazoo wrote:You call anyone with a different opinion you a cultist. How about you go back and protest with your other tea party buddies.

It's not that the minimalist cultists have a different opinion, it's that they have the only correct opinion according to themselves. That's what us non-cultists object to so much.

biggus dickus wrote:

HHH wrote:

The main thing to take away is to not overstride. Dorsiflexing is unnecessary movement in my opinion, but is less crucial. I haven't done any studies on this, but I plan to after I begin medical school next fall.

mmmm, I think I said that. I knew I had you pegged right as someone who just got out of school and was impressed with their new found "knowledge."

P.S. You did not define overstride or back that statement up with facts.

I never wrote this, nor am I getting ready to begin med school next year. Nice try little dicky. I can only assure you that I am not just out of school as nice as it would be to turn back the clock...

And the only way you would be happy is if we chose a 'nothing is right' attitude making the point of this thread pointless. The heel strikers only real argument is say 'oh, a ton of people do it, so it doesn't matter' when the reality is nobody teaches anyone to heel strike, as stated earlier in this thread. Why? Because heel striking is not natural. How can it be ok just because we invented shoes?

gazoo wrote:And the only way you would be happy is if we chose a 'nothing is right' attitude making the point of this thread pointless. The heel strikers only real argument is say 'oh, a ton of people do it, so it doesn't matter' when the reality is nobody teaches anyone to heel strike, as stated earlier in this thread. Why? Because heel striking is not natural. How can it be ok just because we invented shoes?

No, we would be happy if the cultists would just acknowledge that there is more than one way to run fast and that mid foot striking is not the only way to run fast or efficiently.

I for one am happy to acknowledge that forefoot landing is an acceptable way to run fast. But so is heel striking, neither is better or worse than the other.

I will also add that your last bit about something being un-natural because it isn't taught is some seriously flawed reasoning. But I guess that's the old minimalist cultist way!

The well of circular reasoning never runs dry. It is you who started this thread with the ridiculous statement:

Your statement is categorically false.

I came from a very successful high school track program. My college track program was equally successful. In fact, the school was renowned for its biomechanics and exercise physiology programs. I was one of the first professional runners in the professional era of track. I was a top 10 world-ranked steeplechaser. I set American records. I set American records on the road. When I wasn't setting American records, I was missing by fractions of seconds. When I wasn't missing American records, I was the straw that stirred the drink in races in which my peers were setting American records. I was also a top XC runner, and competed successfully in events that ranged from the 1500m in Bislet Stadium all the way up to the marathon in New York City. My slowest marathon is 2:13:44, the third marathon of three in twelve weeks.

In summation, I have been coached by, and known, some of the best coaches who have ever lived. I've also trained with, and known, some of the best runners this country has ever produced. With over 40 years of experience across the strata of coaches, athletes, agents,etc, at the highest levels, NOT ONE OF THEM has ever said that there is a correct way for the foot to land. Not one of them has ever suggested that me, or anyone else, should run barefoot. Yet, in your tautological death-spiral, you're asking why no one teaches anyone to heel strike?

You don't see the absurdity of your question?

gazoo wrote:

malmo wrote:

You cultists are the ones with arrogant bullshit. Your entire thesis has been proven wrong, you've been taken out to the tool-shed for a proper upbraiding, now you want to throw rocks.

You call anyone with a different opinion you a cultist. How about you go back and protest with your other tea party buddies.

How about learning to speak english ! Then maybe Malmo can understand your post !

Nobody would teach anyone to heel strike.

Chris Solinski, who is a better runner than you.

If you are so great and mighty why have I never heard of you? If you are so great and mighty why doesn't the average track and field athlete know who you are.

The "I am fast and thus correct" answer means nothing when flying in the face of natural biomechanics.

There is no "I am fast and thus correct" argument here at all. The argument is that of all of my peers, and all of the successful coaches that I've known, over a period of 40 years, NOT ONE Of THEM has ever said anything about what 'proper' foot strike is. Nor is there a reason why they should.

You are a cultist not because you disagree with me, but because you hang on to irrational cult-like beliefs with a cult-like obsession. Have another cup of Koolaid.

Maybe because of your heel striking you failed to become fast enough for the average track and field athlete to know who you are.

gazoo wrote:Nobody would teach anyone to heel strike.

They don't need to teach them, it just comes natural.

Lol this thread still going on? I gave up long ago. No one is gonna convince anyone anything. So stop wasting your time.

gazoo wrote:Maybe because of your heel striking you failed to become fast enough for the average track and field athlete to know who you are.

The average track and field athlete does know who he is, if you don't, then you aren't very knowledgeable on the topic. Go back to worship your cult leader and drinking your barefoot koolaid.

HHH wrote:

gazoo wrote:Nobody would teach anyone to heel strike.

They don't need to teach them, it just comes natural.

No, what I meant was nobody would stop a kid and say 'hey, that midfoot you are doing, stop that. its more efficient to heel strike.'

gazoo wrote:

Maybe because of your heel striking you failed to become fast enough for the average track and field athlete to know who you are.

Your ignorance is showing like a whale tail on a fat chick, and you're proud of it.

You're on tilt.

gazoo wrote:No, what I meant was nobody would stop a kid and say 'hey, that midfoot you are doing, stop that. its more efficient to heel strike.'

But based upon the fact that a lot of elite distance runners are, perhaps we should be. And seeing as it was proven earlier (using a Vibram study no less) that heel striking absorbs more shock and provides more power when pushing off, it really is the only way to run if you want to run fast.

gazoo wrote:

Maybe because of your heel striking you failed to become fast enough for the average track and field athlete to know who you are.

I'm an average track & field fan and I know who he is mr. Spazoo !

but niether I nor the average track & field fan know who you are, much less do we subscribe to your cultist heel striking koolaid !

Your hust jealous you have never run as fast as Malmo !

gazoo wrote:that midfoot you are doing, stop that. its more efficient to heel strike.'

Your nonsense is endless. Why would they? There's no reason too. It's been said many times already.