California HS XC 2023 CIF

I think there are "anti GPS-ers" here. They are not fans of using Strava distances as guides for course length.

they are also on the watch list for the championship race

A poor result from Dana Hills and Trabuco Hills at Bob Firman.

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Bob Firman Invitational XC 2023 - Elite Boys Results

MileSplits official Elite Boys Results formatted results for the 2023 Bob Firman Invitational XC in Boise ID.

Link:id.milesplit.com/meets/572038-bob-firm...

Even adding in the Dana Hills transfer, and the return of Trabuco's #1 runner, they still lose to teams like Layton and Star Valley, which might not get NXN at-large bids. You can say some runners had bad days, or they were missing runners, but it isn't fair to only adjust the CA teams to their best performance, and not adjust the others. Crater "would have been" 80+ points better at Woodbridge and beat San Clemente with an expected race result from Tostenson.

Last year Great Oak ran poorly at Firman and still made NXN and ran well. Hopefully we see something similar.

Both the SW and NW regions look very good this year. These two regions alone could supply their combined 4 auto-bids and the 4 at-large teams.
SW
Herriman
American Fork
Orem
Layton
NW
Jesuit OR
Rocky Mountain ID
Star Valley Wyoming
Crater OR
Coeur D'Alene ID

Utah has so many good teams I left some out. I am sure there are even more in these regions, I just can't keep up with them. California may not get an at-large boys team this year.

SW
Herriman
American Fork
Skyridge
LonePeak
Riverton
Orem
Layton
NW
Jesuit OR
Rocky Mountain ID
Star Valley Wyoming
Crater OR
Coeur D'Alene ID

Wait for Clovis/Mt Sac results. I agree the bob firman results look really bad. But your jumping to conclusion, It is still early season and San Clemente, Great Oak, and Ventura have already produced results deserving of one at-large.

How does NXN qualification work for California is it based off state meet performance for auto bids and what determines the extra qualifiers.

state performance, beating auto qualifers early season, how stacked your region is

That is not the process for California

Yes it is. The question was about the extra qualifiers, and it is done by committee, California included, and that is a pretty good description of what it looks like. If you say it is not, then tell it is what it really is.

New PrepCalTrack SS rankings

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CIF-SS Rankings (Sept. 25, 2023)

Rich Gonzalez

Link:prepcaltrack.com/2023/09/25/cif-ss-ran...

Big Changes:

Oaks Christian Boys up a ton to 3rd and they are essentially tied with JSerra based on Woodbridge results for 2nd. Imagine if they had pickleball guy, they might have won state. St Francis looks like they'll coast to an easy Div 4 win.

Beckman up a ton after great Woodbridge, maybe a sleeper state merge NXN qualifier threat?

While those are the correct top 3 for Div. 4, I wonder if this takes into account that both Oaks Christian and St. Francis looked great at Woodbridge partially because of the scoring was wrong. Both teams had a ghost runner in the results that significantly improved their standing. The scoring is still wrong on the Woodbridge invitational site. Or maybe they are not taking JSerra's transfer into account because he is not eligible yet.

Still, those are the top 3 teams in Div. 4, but once JSerra's transfer is eligible they are the team to beat for sure.

Oak Ridge and Jserra in for watch list Cathedral and Oaks Christian out on boys side

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Trabuco Hills, Dana Hills boys teams hit roadbump checkpoint at Bob Firman Invit’l (Idaho)

Rich Gonzalez

Link:prepcaltrack.com/2023/09/23/trabuco-hi...

Rich Gonzalez's summary includes a statement that it may be harder to earn at-large bid this year for California after Bob Firman. That really sucks the guys dropped the ball so bad last week

Southwest is almost guaranteed to have 2 at-large this year if all teams do well at NXR Southwest. I hope we can get at-least 1 at-large but we would be competing with Northwest, South, and Southeast for it.

Cathedral definitely has had an upsetting season. Definitely thought they were in contention for the state title (team). Season is still long though, they haven’t put in their transfer yet, same with Jserra though.

What also matters is performance at the state meet. If 3rd teams performance at the state meet is the similar to San Clemente 2022 or Great Oak 2022, which later went on to place 6th and 7th at NXN, then they 100% deserves a NXN bid. But the committee just found their excuse for not giving any at-large bid to any California teams this year. This and Granada 2022 with a solid state performance but only placing 16th at NXN.

Truth be told, the committee would have much preferred to give a bid to Rocky Mountain last year over Granada. They just couldn't find any logical reasons to do so. Rocky Mountain's performance at NXR Northwest was much worse than Granada's performance at CIF state. Rocky Mountain also barely beat southwest teams that went 10th and 15th at NXR Southwest at Bob Firman.

The committee prefers to give bids to states that have never gone to NXN. That will include that teams such as Louisiana (Jesuit LA), Arkansas (Bentonville AK), Idaho (CDA). So chances are pretty bad for a NXN bid this year.

NXN really isn't the end all be all. Now that runninglane is in the picture, I hope our top 3-6th teams go switch their goals from making NXN to winning runninglane. Honestly, the winner of runninglane deserves a final ranking in the top 10.