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1 year ago 10/05/2022 8:56am EDT

re: jn17

jn17 wrote:
I have to ask: why is the new consensus that Coffman is ranked higher than Davidson? Didn’t Davidson beat them just a couple weeks ago? And I wouldn’t bet on Davidson peaking early, they usually peak quite late. I would personally put Davidson at 2 and Coffman at 3 unless Coffman has another great race.

This is what I agree with. Here’s my new rankings; a little controversial but whatever.

1. Mason - dominant. Clear number one.
2. HDV - competed with Farragut better than TSF did with Coffman. Clear No. 2 right now.
3. Lancaster - needs to tighten up but should do well in a big meet
4. Dub. Coffman - improving, but not great, just don’t have a super tight pack or an elite front runner
5. Springboro - if the group can move cup together they could surprise at a big meet
6. St. Xavier - it’s always “guys are missing”, I just don’t think they’re a great team
7. Tol. St. Francis - still a decent team but got dominated by an okay team in Coffman
8. Medina - will improve, good program
9. Chardon - second to Lancaster at Centerville
10. Mass. Jackson - peaked too early, 4-5 is extremely weak

1 year ago 10/05/2022 9:24am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
jn17 wrote:
I have to ask: why is the new consensus that Coffman is ranked higher than Davidson? Didn’t Davidson beat them just a couple weeks ago? And I wouldn’t bet on Davidson peaking early, they usually peak quite late. I would personally put Davidson at 2 and Coffman at 3 unless Coffman has another great race.
This is what I agree with. Here’s my new rankings; a little controversial but whatever.
1. Mason - dominant. Clear number one.
2. HDV - competed with Farragut better than TSF did with Coffman. Clear No. 2 right now.
3. Lancaster - needs to tighten up but should do well in a big meet
4. Dub. Coffman - improving, but not great, just don’t have a super tight pack or an elite front runner
5. Springboro - if the group can move cup together they could surprise at a big meet
6. St. Xavier - it’s always “guys are missing”, I just don’t think they’re a great team
7. Tol. St. Francis - still a decent team but got dominated by an okay team in Coffman
8. Medina - will improve, good program
9. Chardon - second to Lancaster at Centerville
10. Mass. Jackson - peaked too early, 4-5 is extremely weak

**Important to note I am not a Coffman fan, rather an unbiased observer.."

That being said, how can you say Coffman doesn't have a frontrunner? Shaugnessy at 15:06 this year...and was 5th last year at the state championship with a 15:24...

Springboro over St. X and TSF? They got drilled by St. X on Saturday, Their #5 barely going under 17 on a fast course this past weekend.

I think Springboro is the juiced up version of Medina...a packed team that is slightly faster on average and should sit just above them. In my humble opinion..

1 year ago 10/05/2022 9:37am EDT

re: GriffinRichard

GriffinRichard wrote:
Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
This is what I agree with. Here’s my new rankings; a little controversial but whatever.
1. Mason - dominant. Clear number one.
2. HDV - competed with Farragut better than TSF did with Coffman. Clear No. 2 right now.
3. Lancaster - needs to tighten up but should do well in a big meet
4. Dub. Coffman - improving, but not great, just don’t have a super tight pack or an elite front runner
5. Springboro - if the group can move cup together they could surprise at a big meet
6. St. Xavier - it’s always “guys are missing”, I just don’t think they’re a great team
7. Tol. St. Francis - still a decent team but got dominated by an okay team in Coffman
8. Medina - will improve, good program
9. Chardon - second to Lancaster at Centerville
10. Mass. Jackson - peaked too early, 4-5 is extremely weak
**Important to note I am not a Coffman fan, rather an unbiased observer.."
That being said, how can you say Coffman doesn't have a frontrunner? Shaugnessy at 15:06 this year...and was 5th last year at the state championship with a 15:24...
Springboro over St. X and TSF? They got drilled by St. X on Saturday, Their #5 barely going under 17 on a fast course this past weekend.
I think Springboro is the juiced up version of Medina...a packed team that is slightly faster on average and should sit just above them. In my humble opinion..

Shaugnessy’s 15:06 is on the fastest course in Ohio. That’s not a true time at all. When it mattered at Michigan state, he barely beat HDV’s 2. He’s a good runner but hasn’t really improved from last year.

You really shouldn’t doubt Springboro, before you know it I’ll have your mom springing on deez nuts

1 year ago 10/05/2022 9:43am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
GriffinRichard wrote:
**Important to note I am not a Coffman fan, rather an unbiased observer.."
That being said, how can you say Coffman doesn't have a frontrunner? Shaugnessy at 15:06 this year...and was 5th last year at the state championship with a 15:24...
Springboro over St. X and TSF? They got drilled by St. X on Saturday, Their #5 barely going under 17 on a fast course this past weekend.
I think Springboro is the juiced up version of Medina...a packed team that is slightly faster on average and should sit just above them. In my humble opinion..
Shaugnessy’s 15:06 is on the fastest course in Ohio. That’s not a true time at all. When it mattered at Michigan state, he barely beat HDV’s 2. He’s a good runner but hasn’t really improved from last year.
You really shouldn’t doubt Springboro, before you know it I’ll have your mom springing on deez nuts

Nice. Homeroom is almost over, back to school you go little one.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 9:50am EDT

re: GriffinRichard

GriffinRichard wrote:
Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
Shaugnessy’s 15:06 is on the fastest course in Ohio. That’s not a true time at all. When it mattered at Michigan state, he barely beat HDV’s 2. He’s a good runner but hasn’t really improved from last year.
You really shouldn’t doubt Springboro, before you know it I’ll have your mom springing on deez nuts
Nice. Homeroom is almost over, back to school you go little one.

Yeah, that was a bit out of hand, a little too crazy. Though that is how your mom likes it

1 year ago 10/05/2022 10:07am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
jn17 wrote:
I have to ask: why is the new consensus that Coffman is ranked higher than Davidson? Didn’t Davidson beat them just a couple weeks ago? And I wouldn’t bet on Davidson peaking early, they usually peak quite late. I would personally put Davidson at 2 and Coffman at 3 unless Coffman has another great race.
This is what I agree with. Here’s my new rankings; a little controversial but whatever.
1. Mason - dominant. Clear number one.
2. HDV - competed with Farragut better than TSF did with Coffman. Clear No. 2 right now.
3. Lancaster - needs to tighten up but should do well in a big meet
4. Dub. Coffman - improving, but not great, just don’t have a super tight pack or an elite front runner
5. Springboro - if the group can move cup together they could surprise at a big meet
6. St. Xavier - it’s always “guys are missing”, I just don’t think they’re a great team
7. Tol. St. Francis - still a decent team but got dominated by an okay team in Coffman
8. Medina - will improve, good program
9. Chardon - second to Lancaster at Centerville
10. Mass. Jackson - peaked too early, 4-5 is extremely weak

Looks pretty good although I've seen a few mention Mass. Jackson having a weak #4. Cael Ball is usually right by William Prato in results as #4. I can see the #5 point though. I still think they're the team to beat at Boardman over Medina and Chardon.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 10:15am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

What you didn't mention was that Shaugnessy was 1 second behind Sam Ricchiuti, and 1 second ahead of Ben Gableman. I don't know about you, but I consider both of those individuals as "elite runners" for their team, so why isn't Shaugnessy a front runner for his team? Also his time is a "true time". The course is fast, not short. He has also consistently placed well recently.

You also said he hasn't improved from last year, wich is just false since last year at this exact same meet he ran 15:20 compared to last weekends 15:06. I just think a lot of your logic is flawed.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 10:22am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
Shaugnessy’s 15:06 is on the fastest course in Ohio. That’s not a true time at all. When it mattered at Michigan state, he barely beat HDV’s 2. He’s a good runner but hasn’t really improved from last year.
You really shouldn’t doubt Springboro, before you know it I’ll have your mom springing on deez nuts

Shouldn't you be at school instead of in your mommy's basement looking at pictures of your sister while spanking the monkey?

1 year ago 10/05/2022 10:25am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
jn17 wrote:
I have to ask: why is the new consensus that Coffman is ranked higher than Davidson? Didn’t Davidson beat them just a couple weeks ago? And I wouldn’t bet on Davidson peaking early, they usually peak quite late. I would personally put Davidson at 2 and Coffman at 3 unless Coffman has another great race.
This is what I agree with. Here’s my new rankings; a little controversial but whatever.
1. Mason - dominant. Clear number one.
2. HDV - competed with Farragut better than TSF did with Coffman. Clear No. 2 right now.
3. Lancaster - needs to tighten up but should do well in a big meet
4. Dub. Coffman - improving, but not great, just don’t have a super tight pack or an elite front runner
5. Springboro - if the group can move cup together they could surprise at a big meet
6. St. Xavier - it’s always “guys are missing”, I just don’t think they’re a great team
7. Tol. St. Francis - still a decent team but got dominated by an okay team in Coffman
8. Medina - will improve, good program
9. Chardon - second to Lancaster at Centerville
10. Mass. Jackson - peaked too early, 4-5 is extremely weak

Springboro over St. Xavier makes no sense after last week. St. X beat Springboro by 140 points. To compare, Mason beat St. X by 130.

St. X had two guys ahead of Springboro's #1 and 5 guys ahead of Springboro's #4.

I also disagree that HD is the clear #2 team in Ohio. They could be #2, but it's not clear.

You rank Dub. Coffman at #4 and they are "not great" and just "okay"? Give me a break.

Mas. Jackson is not the #10 team in the state. Their 4/5 are far from "extremely weak". Their #5 probably just had one bad day.

I was hoping HD and St. X would race this weekend at Portage (MI) like last year, but it looks like it will only be St. X this year. Sad.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 10:27am EDT

re: Stark

Mas. Jackson won the Hot Summer Bash and the Celtic Clash, they're clearly better than 10th. I wouldn't be surprised to see them 2nd at the state meet.

Lancaster, Springboro, Chardon and Medina are basically the same team, no low stick but 5 guys in a relatively tight 1-5 spread. The difference is Lancaster's 5 guys are better than the 5 on those other teams.

This Davidson team is worse than last year's team in that they only have one low stick instead of two. They might finish second, but I don't think they're a clear #2 by any stretch and personally I still think they'll finish behind Lancaster and Mas. Jackson at the state meet. St. X might be above them as well, even without they're two guys back.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 11:51am EDT

re: who let the kids out?

who let the kids out? wrote:
Bigbubbamccoy wrote:
Shaugnessy’s 15:06 is on the fastest course in Ohio. That’s not a true time at all. When it mattered at Michigan state, he barely beat HDV’s 2. He’s a good runner but hasn’t really improved from last year.
You really shouldn’t doubt Springboro, before you know it I’ll have your mom springing on deez nuts
Shouldn't you be at school instead of in your mommy's basement looking at pictures of your sister while spanking the monkey?

You speakin from experience or something?

1 year ago 10/05/2022 11:54am EDT

re: Bigbubbamccoy

You don't have to say "Dub. Coffman". Everyone just calls them Coffman. Same with Davidson, St. X, St. Francis, etc. HDV is not at all correct.

1 year ago 10/05/2022 12:07pm EDT

re: You Could Just

You Could Just wrote:
You don't have to say "Dub. Coffman". Everyone just calls them Coffman. Same with Davidson, St. X, St. Francis, etc. HDV is not at all correct.

Hilliard DaVidson, it’s dutch.

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1 year ago 10/07/2022 7:38am EDT

re: Supertramp

Week 7 Polls, a week before season. Top 5 Girls: Mason, H.D, Westlake, Perrysburg, Avon....Boys: Mason, Massillon Jack, St. X, H.D, Lancaster. Thoughts???

Girls:

docs.google.com

Girls Division I 2022 Cross Country Coaches' Poll

Pre-Season Poll 2022 Cross Country Coaches' Poll Division 1 Girls Date: 8/18/22 RANK,SCHOOL,POINTS,FIRST PLACE VOTES 1,Perrysburg,236,10 2,Shaker Heights,215 3,Centerville,214,1 4,Mason,191,1 5,Hilliard Davidson,185 6,Westlak...

Link:docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpQvNA...

Boys:

docs.google.com

Boys Division I 2022 Cross Country Coaches' Poll

Pre-Season Poll 2022 Cross Country Coaches' Poll Division 1 Boys Date: 8/18/22 RANK,SCHOOL,POINTS,FIRST PLACE VOTES 1,Mason,240,12 2,St Xavier,220 3,Dublin Jerome,196 4,Hilliard Davidson,195 5,Massillon Jackson,194 6,Dublin C...

Link:docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/138I66d...

1 year ago 10/07/2022 7:46am EDT

re: whaaaaaapo

Anyone surprised by how close St Xavier is close to Mason pointwise?

1 year ago 10/07/2022 7:47am EDT

re: Ustumm

For both polls, you gotta click the link i added..as the "thumbnail" you atre seeing is the pre season rankings

1 year ago 10/07/2022 8:13am EDT

re: whaaaaaapo

Looks like St Xavier had 2 guys who were on their varsity last year missing from every meet except the home meet.
Bohrer did fine there.
Dominic Jackson didn’t even make their top 7 there. Nor does it even look like he even ran track.
But they did have a solid top 5 at Nike Town. I don’t think having those 2 guys in the meet would have improved the team much at that meet, and it looks like their top 5 were very solid there.
And still, they got absolutely crushed by Mason.
I really do think that HD is the right team to put in second. They obviously have a best runner in the state (even one of the best in the country), and only 33 points away from Farragut (a nationally ranked team as it should be).
St Xavier lost to nationally-unranked teams by more points. Maybe having more teams in the Niketown race increased the point gaps.
Davidson’s 3-7 gap is closing pretty well. Their 7th guy (Banks) didn’t have a good race. He scored for them once this year and raced at state last year. If someone has an off day, having 7 guys instead of 5 really helps because there are people on the team to depend on.
Mas Jackson almost lost to glen oak.

1 year ago 10/07/2022 8:16am EDT

re: Ustumm

What I find weird in the rankings is that even though Mas Jackson beat Glen oak by only 8 points, Mas Jackson is 2nd and Glen Oak is 17th.

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