No, but killing invading Russian soldiers that are in Ukraine trying to take away Ukraine's freedom is a good thing.
You said killing 100 million Russians could be a good thing.
You are a psychopath.
p.s. You also haven't provided any arguments that dispute the fact that every dead Russian soldier is a step closer to Ukraine's survival, regardless of how many Russian soldiers that Tsar Putin is willing to sacrifice.
The special military operation is in response to 8 years of western ukraine bombing of the Donbas region - of its own people. The majority of people living in the Donbas opposed the violent coup in 2014 and have been getting bombed by western ukraine ever since. western ukraine has killed 14,000+ people between 2014 and 2021.
For 8 years, Russia has asked politely for western ukraine to stop bombing its own citizens. Russia finally decided it has had enough with evil azov battlions as well as zelensky.
How would you react if you opposed a presidential change of power and in response to your political opposition you get bombed? How are you supposed to handle that situation?
Just to highlight how absolutely stupid this post is, let's take your claim that "western ukraine has killed 14,000+ people between 2014 and 2021."
According to wikipedia, 14,562 people were killed in fighting in Donbas between 2014 and 2022. This roughly aligns with the number you provided of 14,000+ and the number in the article that you cite later on. However, of those, 4,641 were Ukrainian service members (so, probably not killed by "western ukraine", as you claim). Another 6,517 were Russian-sponsored pro-separatist forces (including 400-500 Russian servicemen). So, the overwhelming majority (76.6%) of the 14,000+ people killed in Donbas were actually fighting in the conflict. There were also 3,404 civilians killed. Certainly some of these were killed by Ukrainian forces and some by pro-Russian separatists. How many fewer people would have been killed if Russia hadn't interfered?
In the 4 months of fighting since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, at least 50,000 people have been killed - maybe up to 100,000. So, your contention is that Russia wanted Ukraine to stop bombing its own citizens and is now bombing Ukrainians (killing people at a rate at least 85 times higher than the average of the last 8 years)? I mean, that may be the single dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. You should seriously seek help.
Fake news. Wikipedia is not a reputable source. It can be edited by anyone, even woopie goldburg, and we know how dense she is
Conflict in Ukraine’s Donbas: A Visual Explainer | Crisis Group
"The armed conflict in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014. Between then and early 2022, it had already killed over 14,000 people."
How many of those 14,000 people that were killed were pro-Russian separatists? How many were Ukrainian soldiers killed by Russian-sponsored terrorists? How many were civilians killed by pro-separatist forces? Your number of 14k does not represent what you claimed and lacks any context. Try again.
p.s. How many people have died in the last 4 months because Putin threw a tantrum?
All 14,000 were pro-russian protesters. Nice try, trying to call them a different name. Its wonderful to see how ukraine has treated protesters for the last 8 years.
Banning their language, erasing their culture from the classrooms, and oh yeah, killing them.
But you go girl, keep flying that ukrainian flag outside your house.
You said killing 100 million Russians could be a good thing.
You are a psychopath.
p.s. You also haven't provided any arguments that dispute the fact that every dead Russian soldier is a step closer to Ukraine's survival, regardless of how many Russian soldiers that Tsar Putin is willing to sacrifice.
200+ ukrainians passing away per day is sufficient
Just to highlight how absolutely stupid this post is, let's take your claim that "western ukraine has killed 14,000+ people between 2014 and 2021."
According to wikipedia, 14,562 people were killed in fighting in Donbas between 2014 and 2022. This roughly aligns with the number you provided of 14,000+ and the number in the article that you cite later on. However, of those, 4,641 were Ukrainian service members (so, probably not killed by "western ukraine", as you claim). Another 6,517 were Russian-sponsored pro-separatist forces (including 400-500 Russian servicemen). So, the overwhelming majority (76.6%) of the 14,000+ people killed in Donbas were actually fighting in the conflict. There were also 3,404 civilians killed. Certainly some of these were killed by Ukrainian forces and some by pro-Russian separatists. How many fewer people would have been killed if Russia hadn't interfered?
In the 4 months of fighting since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, at least 50,000 people have been killed - maybe up to 100,000. So, your contention is that Russia wanted Ukraine to stop bombing its own citizens and is now bombing Ukrainians (killing people at a rate at least 85 times higher than the average of the last 8 years)? I mean, that may be the single dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. You should seriously seek help.
Fake news. Wikipedia is not a reputable source. It can be edited by anyone, even woopie goldburg, and we know how dense she is
Oops. Once again the use of facts has confounded the pro-Putin troll. If you don’t believe Wikipedia, then please do provide numbers of Ukrainian, pro-separatist, and civilian deaths in Donbas over the last 8 years (reputable sources only, please and include a citation).
Fake news. Wikipedia is not a reputable source. It can be edited by anyone, even woopie goldburg, and we know how dense she is
Oops. Once again the use of facts has confounded the pro-Putin troll. If you don’t believe Wikipedia, then please do provide numbers of Ukrainian, pro-separatist, and civilian deaths in Donbas over the last 8 years (reputable sources only, please and include a citation).
The numbers dont matter.
The real point is that ukraine started the violence against its own people. Ukraine was the "aggressor" - a word which you make love to - and since 2014 until now, ukraine has been killing its own people. They are the ones who started it.
Now its my turn to educate you. There is a saying in the donbas region which translated from russian means "where were you for the last 8 years?"
Its a saying that has become popularized in that region and across russia to show the west's hypocrisy. There were innocent people being killed in the donbas.....and no one cared. Now all of a sudden the world cares, but for the wrong side.
Point being, if you are a soldier and are fighting abroad, you are a part of an evil system. The only acceptable soldier is the one that protects home soil ON his home soil.
Well your statement is demonstrably wrong (e.g., the coalition forces fighting to evict Saddam Hussein's forces from Kuwait in 1991 during the First Gulf War were, by every possible metric, a good thing for Kuwait), it's great to hear that you agree that the Russian forces currently fighting in Syria, the Central African Republic, and Ukraine are part of an evil system led by Putin (I guess the Russian soldiers that fought in Georgia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, North Ossetia-Alania, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Chechnya (again), Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia (again, again, and again) are also part of an evil system led by Putin).
No they were not. No exceptions. Every country has its own mechanism of dealing with things, no need for the US to be involved in EVERYTHING around the world.
I am wondering if I ever will get to see the US finally leave Europe. Dear Americans, please push for your politicians to leave NATO or at least withdraw your troops from Europe. So you can finally have your borders where they geographically are. Imagine what you could do with all that extra money left over! Get yourselves free education and free healthcare, for example.
NEVER EVER forget, every war in the world lasted longer and had more victims than it should have because the US wanted to be a part of it and make profit. Without the US involvement, Russian speaking East-Ukraine would long have been a Russian territory, just like they want it. Zelensky is trying to glue two different Ukraines by force by trying to exterminate the culture and people of East-Ukraine and that's not ok. BTW, you guys are paying with your hard earned tax dollars for that, so sponsoring terrorism and nazis.
No, but killing invading Russian soldiers that are in Ukraine trying to take away Ukraine's freedom is a good thing.
"Every dead Russian soldier, every destroyed Russian tank, every crashed Russian aircraft is a step closer. If that means 100 million Russians have to die.."
No, but killing invading Russian soldiers that are in Ukraine trying to take away Ukraine's freedom is a good thing.
"Every dead Russian soldier, every destroyed Russian tank, every crashed Russian aircraft is a step closer. If that means 100 million Russians have to die.."
100 million Russian soldiers in Ukraine?
Learn to read before you post. How many Russians do you think Putin is willing to sacrifice?
Well your statement is demonstrably wrong (e.g., the coalition forces fighting to evict Saddam Hussein's forces from Kuwait in 1991 during the First Gulf War were, by every possible metric, a good thing for Kuwait), it's great to hear that you agree that the Russian forces currently fighting in Syria, the Central African Republic, and Ukraine are part of an evil system led by Putin (I guess the Russian soldiers that fought in Georgia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, North Ossetia-Alania, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Chechnya (again), Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia (again, again, and again) are also part of an evil system led by Putin).
No they were not. No exceptions. Every country has its own mechanism of dealing with things, no need for the US to be involved in EVERYTHING around the world.
I am wondering if I ever will get to see the US finally leave Europe. Dear Americans, please push for your politicians to leave NATO or at least withdraw your troops from Europe. So you can finally have your borders where they geographically are. Imagine what you could do with all that extra money left over! Get yourselves free education and free healthcare, for example.
NEVER EVER forget, every war in the world lasted longer and had more victims than it should have because the US wanted to be a part of it and make profit. Without the US involvement, Russian speaking East-Ukraine would long have been a Russian territory, just like they want it. Zelensky is trying to glue two different Ukraines by force by trying to exterminate the culture and people of East-Ukraine and that's not ok. BTW, you guys are paying with your hard earned tax dollars for that, so sponsoring terrorism and nazis.
Anybody still concerned about Nazis in Ukraine that doesn’t acknowledge that there are more Nazis in Russia is a bumbling moron.
p.s. If the US hadn’t gotten involved in WWII it may have ended sooner, of course then you’d be a German speaking Nazi and Russia wouldn’t exist.
Oops. Once again the use of facts has confounded the pro-Putin troll. If you don’t believe Wikipedia, then please do provide numbers of Ukrainian, pro-separatist, and civilian deaths in Donbas over the last 8 years (reputable sources only, please and include a citation).
The numbers dont matter.
The real point is that ukraine started the violence against its own people. Ukraine was the "aggressor" - a word which you make love to - and since 2014 until now, ukraine has been killing its own people. They are the ones who started it.
Now its my turn to educate you. There is a saying in the donbas region which translated from russian means "where were you for the last 8 years?"
Its a saying that has become popularized in that region and across russia to show the west's hypocrisy. There were innocent people being killed in the donbas.....and no one cared. Now all of a sudden the world cares, but for the wrong side.
You’re the one that got upset about using numbers from Wikipedia. The only reason you’re now claiming they don’t matter is because you looked them up, realized the numbers on Wikipedia were accurate, and that your whole narrative was a pile of BS.
Yes, Russian-sponsored terrorists were killing people in Ukraine for the last 8 years. That’s why the US has been supporting the training of the Ukrainian military since 2014, when Russia invaded Crimea.
No, but killing invading Russian soldiers that are in Ukraine trying to take away Ukraine's freedom is a good thing.
"Every dead Russian soldier, every destroyed Russian tank, every crashed Russian aircraft is a step closer. If that means 100 million Russians have to die.."
100 million Russian soldiers in Ukraine?
Why do you even entertain a frustrated madman that has no understanding of the situation and also no knowledge of Ukrainian history?
2014 Ukraine got played by the US into believing they are the West. The country got split and now reality is setting in. If you ever been to Ukraine and had to deal with Ukrainians, you'd know Ukraine is not a Western country and definitely not EU material. I would put them on the same list as Turkey.
Wanting EU money and EU lifestyle does not automatically make you EU material, or West-oriented.
You said killing 100 million Russians could be a good thing.
You are a psychopath.
p.s. You also haven't provided any arguments that dispute the fact that every dead Russian soldier is a step closer to Ukraine's survival, regardless of how many Russian soldiers that Tsar Putin is willing to sacrifice.
"Every dead Russian soldier, every destroyed Russian tank, every crashed Russian aircraft is a step closer. If that means 100 million Russians have to die.."
100 million Russian soldiers in Ukraine?
Why do you even entertain a frustrated madman that has no understanding of the situation and also no knowledge of Ukrainian history?
2014 Ukraine got played by the US into believing they are the West. The country got split and now reality is setting in. If you ever been to Ukraine and had to deal with Ukrainians, you'd know Ukraine is not a Western country and definitely not EU material. I would put them on the same list as Turkey.
Wanting EU money and EU lifestyle does not automatically make you EU material, or West-oriented.
And living in Switzerland does not make one civilized. Aren’t you of Ukrainian decent? Are you saying you aren’t fit to live in Europe? Hmmm… maybe you’re right for once.
I’ve been to Ukraine. I have Ukrainian family. They, unlike yourself, are EU material.
p.s. You also haven't provided any arguments that dispute the fact that every dead Russian soldier is a step closer to Ukraine's survival, regardless of how many Russian soldiers that Tsar Putin is willing to sacrifice.
There are 100 million Russian soldiers?
Nobody said there were. Once again, try reading first, posting second. If you’re really feeling ambitious, use both of your neurons in between steps one and two to try and have a thought that’s more nuanced than that of a 3 year old.
Nobody said there were. Once again, try reading first, posting second. If you’re really feeling ambitious, use both of your neurons in between steps one and two to try and have a thought that’s more nuanced than that of a 3 year old.
"It got us a lot of dead Russians. That’s a good thing. Ukraine’s (and Europe’s) freedom is contingent on a weak (nonexistent) Russia, which happens through the continued attrition of their military. Every dead Russian soldier, every destroyed Russian tank, every crashed Russian aircraft is a step closer. If that means 100 million Russians have to die.."
Why do you even entertain a frustrated madman that has no understanding of the situation and also no knowledge of Ukrainian history?
2014 Ukraine got played by the US into believing they are the West. The country got split and now reality is setting in. If you ever been to Ukraine and had to deal with Ukrainians, you'd know Ukraine is not a Western country and definitely not EU material. I would put them on the same list as Turkey.
Wanting EU money and EU lifestyle does not automatically make you EU material, or West-oriented.
And living in Switzerland does not make one civilized. Aren’t you of Ukrainian decent? Are you saying you aren’t fit to live in Europe? Hmmm… maybe you’re right for once.
I’ve been to Ukraine. I have Ukrainian family. They, unlike yourself, are EU material.
Yes, I am. But I was raised in Europe with European values and in totally different environment. It is normal for a Ukrainian in Ukraine to pay their way ot of military draft, or buy a drivers licence or a college degree. It is normal there to undermine minority rights or even women rights. It is also normal there to forbid language that parts of Ukraine been always speaking. Until a few years ago the US refused to send Ukraine military aid because of corruption and nazism. Now they do, to the same people that live the same way, only to hurt Russia.
Just so you know, I don't even count Lithuania or Bulgaria EU material. They consume European funds while contributing very little towards the EU.
Do not delude yourself buddy, your family is not EU material. They only want EU money and lifestyle. It's just a different kind of Russia, like Belarus. I would rather have them go to the US and see how Americans will treat them and if they will be seen as Westerners there. If you can't even deep-heartedly accept African-Americans as Americans, after having stolen them from Africa and built entire country on their backs, how do you expect for Europeans to accept slavs as Europeans?
As for you, I see you simply unfit to be a part of this discussion. To me, you are a pigeon on a chess board. Trying to knock down all figures and cr*pping everyhere while thinking you're winning. Just fly away, bird. Just fly away.