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2 months ago 05/19/2024 11:15am EDT

re: Sweaty ole Steve

Here's a good article explaining why Exhibit 35 proves the case against Trump and really is the "smoking gun" that juries look for to get to "beyond a reasonable doubt."

Will the M^GA crowd read this? No. They will hide behind their claims of a "partisan attack" and "conflicted judge" and "democrat jury."

But the Trump team recorded the crime, all on one piece of paper.

As the author explains, getting this evidence had to be the "Holy S$!t!" moment for the prosecution. I think this could be where the defense wishes there weren't lawyers on the jury because surely they will understand how important this exhibit is.

businessinsider.com

Trump's hush money verdict hinges on a single piece of paper. See the most important evidence in the case.

Laura Italiano

It's called People's Exhibit 35 — and its "Holy @#&!" contents will clinch or crash Donald Trump's hush money case. We walk you through it here.

Link:www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h...

2 months ago 05/19/2024 11:26am EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
Here's a good article explaining why Exhibit 35 proves the case against Trump and really is the "smoking gun" that juries look for to get to "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Will the M^GA crowd read this? No. They will hide behind their claims of a "partisan attack" and "conflicted judge" and "democrat jury."
But the Trump team recorded the crime, all on one piece of paper.
As the author explains, getting this evidence had to be the "Holy S$!t!" moment for the prosecution. I think this could be where the defense wishes there weren't lawyers on the jury because surely they will understand how important this exhibit is.
Link:www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h...

I cannot see past the paywall. Is that the napkin calculation where Weaselburg lays out 'grossing up' the $130,000 so Cohen's taxes will be covered, and the payment to Stormy is disguised?

2 months ago 05/19/2024 11:29am EDT

re: Sweaty ole Steve

Yes, that's the document. They put it all on one page. Creating the LLC, the payments to Stormy's lawyers, the reimbursement to Cohen disguised as legal services and grossed up to offset taxes, etc., and important parts are hand written so we know Cohen and Weiselberg were involved.

The only question is, "Did Trump approve it?"

Only a fool would think that he didn't. And he certainly signed the checks that it created.

2 months ago 05/19/2024 11:32am EDT

re: Sweaty ole Steve

Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Here's a good article explaining why Exhibit 35 proves the case against Trump and really is the "smoking gun" that juries look for to get to "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Will the M^GA crowd read this? No. They will hide behind their claims of a "partisan attack" and "conflicted judge" and "democrat jury."
But the Trump team recorded the crime, all on one piece of paper.
As the author explains, getting this evidence had to be the "Holy S$!t!" moment for the prosecution. I think this could be where the defense wishes there weren't lawyers on the jury because surely they will understand how important this exhibit is.
Link:www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h...
I cannot see past the paywall. Is that the napkin calculation where Weaselburg lays out 'grossing up' the $130,000 so Cohen's taxes will be covered, and the payment to Stormy is disguised?

I believe this is it.

pdfs.nycourts.gov

Link:pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-7154...

Looks like Weisselberg may have dribbled a little jalapeno dip on the doc in the lower right?

2 months ago 05/19/2024 12:02pm EDT

re: Monkeys Skyping

Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Dis Guy wrote:
For those that think Trump should be acquitted:
Did Cohen make payments to these women right before the election to keep them quiet?
Did Trump reimburse Cohen for these payments?
Did Trump have the records falsified to obscure the actual reason for the payments?
I'd expand this to include a fourth question the jury will need to evaluate:
1) Did Cohen make payments to these women right before the election to keep them quiet?
2) Did Trump reimburse Cohen for these payments?
3) Did Trump have the records falsified to obscure the actual reason for the payments?
4) Was this, beyond reasonable doubt, done to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election in violation of federal election law?
The paper trail and witness testimony give a compelling affirmative answer to the first three, but this establishes misdemeanor falsification of business records only. It's the fourth question that establishes a felony and is the most reasonable basis of rejecting a felony conviction.

5) Did Trump deduct the payments to Cohen as business legal expenses to cut his taxes? Yes.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 2:06pm EDT

re: poosmacker

poosmacker wrote:
Can one of you very smart Always Trumpers explain the meaning behind the balloon art?

Trump is scared to take the stand. He knows he will get grilled on his decision to release the balloon d!cks. And the stuff with the hooker that Trump thinks looks like his daughter. All highly creepy cross-exam stuff. Trump would wilt like a banana.

He's got to do it, though. He can't go all Fifth Amendment again. He has to explain how all these charges are faked and rigged and Deep Stated, etc. Trump has got to take the stand. His loyal MAG@ guys deserve the story straight from the horse's mouth.

The prosecution is going to rest their case today. It's Trump time! His fans have got to take to social media and urge him to take the stand!

2 months ago 05/20/2024 2:10pm EDT

re: Commode Flusher

The prosecution’s star witness has already admitted to lying and stole from the Trump organization. It’s a wonder the feds never brought this case.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 2:40pm EDT

re: joedlrtx

joedlrtx wrote:
The prosecution’s star witness has already admitted to lying and stole from the Trump organization. It’s a wonder the feds never brought this case.

99% of criminal defendants are liars and they usually commit crimes or coverups with other liars. If a lying witness was the sole determinant in bringing a case, as you seem to erroneously believe it is, very few criminal prosecutions would ever happen. Basically, you can't let John Gotti walk because his number one go-to guy Sammy Bull is a liar too.

Juries get tasked with, among other things, figuring out when someone is lying, what they lied about, why they were lying, how much the lie matters, and whether they are lying now. They usually have plenty of evidence to suss that stuff out (e.g., corroborating documents, adverse admissions on cross, rebuttal witnesses, timelines). Plus they use their experiences and accumulated common sense. Everyone been lied to by family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, enemies, mechanics, waiters, cops, doctors, politicians, salesmen, receptionists, plumbers, etc. We use our life experiences to figure out when someone is lying to us, when they are telling the truth, and whether and how much it matters, and then we make necessary decisions from there.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:06pm EDT

re: Commode Flusher

Commode Flusher wrote:
joedlrtx wrote:
The prosecution’s star witness has already admitted to lying and stole from the Trump organization. It’s a wonder the feds never brought this case.
99% of criminal defendants are liars and they usually commit crimes or coverups with other liars. If a lying witness was the sole determinant in bringing a case, as you seem to erroneously believe it is, very few criminal prosecutions would ever happen. Basically, you can't let John Gotti walk because his number one go-to guy Sammy Bull is a liar too.
Juries get tasked with, among other things, figuring out when someone is lying, what they lied about, why they were lying, how much the lie matters, and whether they are lying now. They usually have plenty of evidence to suss that stuff out (e.g., corroborating documents, adverse admissions on cross, rebuttal witnesses, timelines). Plus they use their experiences and accumulated common sense. Everyone been lied to by family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, enemies, mechanics, waiters, cops, doctors, politicians, salesmen, receptionists, plumbers, etc. We use our life experiences to figure out when someone is lying to us, when they are telling the truth, and whether and how much it matters, and then we make necessary decisions from there.

When he is lying about something pertinent to the case at hand, it doesn’t help.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:09pm EDT

re: joedlrtx

joedlrtx wrote:
The prosecution’s star witness has already admitted to lying and stole from the Trump organization. It’s a wonder the feds never brought this case.

Correct about the first sentence. Incorrect about the second sentence. Despite the witness admitting to lying, if the prosecution has documents and other evidence which back up what the witness is testifying to, then Trump is in trouble legally.

The entire showboating of Trump's lawyer has been to prove something everyone acknowledges and as a distraction to what the corroborating evidence either is or may be.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:14pm EDT

re: Ronald Dump

Ronald Dump wrote:
joedlrtx wrote:
The prosecution’s star witness has already admitted to lying and stole from the Trump organization. It’s a wonder the feds never brought this case.
Correct about the first sentence. Incorrect about the second sentence. Despite the witness admitting to lying, if the prosecution has documents and other evidence which back up what the witness is testifying to, then Trump is in trouble legally.
The entire showboating of Trump's lawyer has been to prove something everyone acknowledges and as a distraction to what the corroborating evidence either is or may be.

Only problem with your fantasy is that the prosecution has absolutely zero evidence of any kind other than Cohen's worthless word.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:17pm EDT

re: WinstonSmith

WinstonSmith wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
Correct about the first sentence. Incorrect about the second sentence. Despite the witness admitting to lying, if the prosecution has documents and other evidence which back up what the witness is testifying to, then Trump is in trouble legally.
The entire showboating of Trump's lawyer has been to prove something everyone acknowledges and as a distraction to what the corroborating evidence either is or may be.
Only problem with your fantasy is that the prosecution has absolutely zero evidence of any kind other than Cohen's worthless word.

So you haven't paid attention to the case. Thanks.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:21pm EDT

re: Ronald Dump

Ronald Dump wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Only problem with your fantasy is that the prosecution has absolutely zero evidence of any kind other than Cohen's worthless word.
So you haven't paid attention to the case. Thanks.

Most of you are not following along at all, there is zero chance of conviction here, and is just a tactic, it's not just Republicans saying so, either. There is no crime.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:32pm EDT

re: Ronald Dump

Ronald Dump wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Only problem with your fantasy is that the prosecution has absolutely zero evidence of any kind other than Cohen's worthless word.
So you haven't paid attention to the case. Thanks.

Says the guy who's heard nothing but MSNBC's unhinged analysis.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:34pm EDT

re: king999

king999 wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
So you haven't paid attention to the case. Thanks.
Most of you are not following along at all, there is zero chance of conviction here, and is just a tactic, it's not just Republicans saying so, either. There is no crime.

Well... there was no zero evidence in the E Jean Carroll farce either. If you get 12 Democrats on a jury the law and the evidence are meaningless.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:34pm EDT

re: joedlrtx

joedlrtx wrote:
Commode Flusher wrote:
99% of criminal defendants are liars and they usually commit crimes or coverups with other liars. If a lying witness was the sole determinant in bringing a case, as you seem to erroneously believe it is, very few criminal prosecutions would ever happen. Basically, you can't let John Gotti walk because his number one go-to guy Sammy Bull is a liar too.
Juries get tasked with, among other things, figuring out when someone is lying, what they lied about, why they were lying, how much the lie matters, and whether they are lying now. They usually have plenty of evidence to suss that stuff out (e.g., corroborating documents, adverse admissions on cross, rebuttal witnesses, timelines). Plus they use their experiences and accumulated common sense. Everyone been lied to by family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, enemies, mechanics, waiters, cops, doctors, politicians, salesmen, receptionists, plumbers, etc. We use our life experiences to figure out when someone is lying to us, when they are telling the truth, and whether and how much it matters, and then we make necessary decisions from there.
When he is lying about something pertinent to the case at hand, it doesn’t help.

Agreed. But that is much different than your original point.

Also, I'm not sure Cohen has been shown to have lied on the stand. Are you talking about the Cohen testimony about the October 24, 2016 call to Schiller? It's hard to tell if the jury will think Cohen was lying about that and, if so, how much it matters. The Cohen Q&A with Blanche wasn't as impeaching and spectacular as the media was reporting. Just my semi-informed opinion from the excerpts I read.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:36pm EDT

re: Commode Flusher

Commode Flusher wrote:
joedlrtx wrote:
When he is lying about something pertinent to the case at hand, it doesn’t help.
Agreed. But that is much different than your original point.
Also, I'm not sure Cohen has been shown to have lied on the stand. Are you talking about the Cohen testimony about the October 24, 2016 call to Schiller? It's hard to tell if the jury will think Cohen was lying about that and, if so, how much it matters. The Cohen Q&A with Blanche wasn't as impeaching and spectacular as the media was reporting. Just my semi-informed opinion from the excerpts I read.

WHAT???????

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:37pm EDT

re: king999

king999 wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
So you haven't paid attention to the case. Thanks.
Most of you are not following along at all, there is zero chance of conviction here, and is just a tactic, it's not just Republicans saying so, either. There is no crime.

Yeah! Damn straight!

Prosecution has rested. Wow. Case is moving along. What's this sh!t about the defense resting today too? Trump HAS to take the stand! Time for Trump to grab his balls and man up. Trump is the only one who can sufficiently explain all this sleazy criminal sh!t.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:43pm EDT

re: Commode Flusher

Commode Flusher wrote:
king999 wrote:
Most of you are not following along at all, there is zero chance of conviction here, and is just a tactic, it's not just Republicans saying so, either. There is no crime.
Yeah! Damn straight!
Prosecution has rested. Wow. Case is moving along. What's this sh!t about the defense resting today too? Trump HAS to take the stand! Time for Trump to grab his balls and man up. Trump is the only one who can sufficiently explain all this sleazy criminal sh!t.

Why the hell would Trump take the stand? The prosecution hasn't proven anything.

2 months ago 05/20/2024 3:59pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
Here's a good article explaining why Exhibit 35 proves the case against Trump and really is the "smoking gun" that juries look for to get to "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Will the M^GA crowd read this? No. They will hide behind their claims of a "partisan attack" and "conflicted judge" and "democrat jury."
But the Trump team recorded the crime, all on one piece of paper.
As the author explains, getting this evidence had to be the "Holy S$!t!" moment for the prosecution. I think this could be where the defense wishes there weren't lawyers on the jury because surely they will understand how important this exhibit is.
Link:www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h...

Woops. This got completely destroyed in court today.

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