Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

Armstronglivs wrote:

danube steak wrote:

"Trust but verify" can be transitioned to many scenarios. And yes, I am a hillbilly. I only have half my teeth and reside in Tennessee.

It might be "transitioned" but Baldwin wasn't in charge of nuclear weapons - which is what Reagan was talking about. It isn't only your teeth you have half of.

Well, I play a mean banjo and am married to my first cousin.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bald Always Win wrote:

You really seem to have no understanding of the legal system. People get killed everyday and the person who is responsible states that it was not them or if they are identified, they state that it was a mistake. Somebody died. A thorough investigation will be conducted. I believe that Baldwin will be charged but I am uncertain. You seem to want to take statements of your idols as facts.

Actually, no. I base my views on the law and what the facts appear to be - and not merely claims that people make. I haven't based my conclusions on anything that Baldwin has said.

You are basing your views on what you have read from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and other media outlets? You do know they are prime sources of misinformation?

Angelo Pappas wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I was pointing out that Baldwin did nothing more than countless actors in Westerns have done before him. If he was thus guilty of criminal negligence then their actions constituted the same if someone had died as a result.

Of course you think I am a fake lawyer - you are completely ignorant of how the law works. I am arguing with a hillbilly.

Baldwin is the producer, not just an actor. In his role as producer he is responsible for providing a safe work environment. He cut corners to make more money. He is grossly negligent.

You know he "cut corners"? Or you are just expressing a prejudice?

danube steak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Actually, no. I base my views on the law and what the facts appear to be - and not merely claims that people make. I haven't based my conclusions on anything that Baldwin has said.

You are basing your views on what you have read from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and other media outlets? You do know they are prime sources of misinformation?

Whereas yours are? The "voices" in your head?

People asking for links to things that have been quoted could always learn how to use Google. I won't play the game of finding links to be told that the article does not meet their arbitrary standard of evidence.

Whether or not a random person on the internet believes me about something they could easily check themselves is not something that concerns me.

Bald Always Win wrote:

Today Show just state that there are potential criminal charges. They would never say that unless it is likely.

Potential only means what is possible. It says nothing about whether they are likely.

Armstronglivs wrote:

danube steak wrote:

You are basing your views on what you have read from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and other media outlets? You do know they are prime sources of misinformation?

Whereas yours are? The "voices" in your head?

Well yes, Fox News and the voice in my head.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Angelo Pappas wrote:

Baldwin is the producer, not just an actor. In his role as producer he is responsible for providing a safe work environment. He cut corners to make more money. He is grossly negligent.

You know he "cut corners"? Or you are just expressing a prejudice?

Are you just riding Baldwin’s sack?

Anytime someone hands you a weapon, you are supposed to check to see if it's loaded, that's basic firearms safety. It doesn't sound like basic firearms safety was being practiced by anyone on this movie set. Baldwin was just unlucky to be the idiot holding the gun when it eventually went off.

A guy in my Marine platoon shot and killed his best friend while cleaning a handgun because he didn't think it was loaded. He didn't go to trial because the DA felt the shooting was accidental and wouldn't get a conviction.

The DA has a lot of leeway to bring charges, I don't think Alec Baldwin will face trial, I think the guy that handed him the gun will. I could be wrong. Anyone who says for sure that someone will or will not face trial at this point does not know what they are talking about.

(Full disclosure: most of us thought he did it on purpose and were surprised he didn't go to jail, that dude was always a little off)

Correction. You posted this: "Also, for criminal negligence to apply you would have to say every cowboy who has fired a gun in a Western would be guilty of the same - because they too would have trusted it was only a prop when told so - as Baldwin did."

That is idiotic logic. As I pointed out to you, Baldwin shot someone and the "countless actors in Westerns" did not. You can't be criminally negligent for a crime, not matter how insane or reckless your behavior, if there is no recognized harm that occurred to begin with. You somehow fail to grasp that or you just decided to back away from your statement (acquiescence).

I even gave you an easy reckless driving example I hoped would shed light on how dumb your statement was, but you didn't get.

And you still don't have a clue one way or the other whether none, some or all other actors check their guns before firing or not, or whether none, some or all other actors check to make sure they aren't aiming at someone before pulling a trigger. You don't have the slightest idea about what other actors have done when using a gun on a movie set. You just presume that actors don't check their guns for purposes of arguing that Baldwin had no absolutely reason to check his gun. That is a fallacy of presumption, amongst other logical flaws.

Bald Always Win wrote:

Only if they knew it was loaded? My buddy hands me a gun and tells me that it is unloaded and I point it at him and pull the trigger and kill him. No crime? According to you, I can walk away. No big deal because I thought it was unloaded. Oh well. It's only a human life.

You didn't think it was unloaded - you were actually told it was unloaded. You haven't committed a crime. It is likely death by misadventure. If there is a charge of improper use of a firearm it might produce involuntary manslaughter - maybe. But your buddy isn't a director handing you what he has declared is a safe firearm for use in a film scene. The check should have occurred well before you receive the gun and the director assured you it is safe. And almost always, it has.

Bald Always Win wrote:

Only if they knew it was loaded? My buddy hands me a gun and tells me that it is unloaded and I point it at him and pull the trigger and kill him. No crime? According to you, I can walk away. No big deal because I thought it was unloaded. Oh well. It's only a human life.

In this situation, there was no "buddy" handing anyone a gun.

You really need to give up. You have grasped none of it. It is only your misplaced vanity that keeps you plugging away, Mr Phony.

Angelo Pappas wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You know he "cut corners"? Or you are just expressing a prejudice?

Are you just riding Baldwin’s sack?

I can see how that would motivate you. But, no.

danube steak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Whereas yours are? The "voices" in your head?

Well yes, Fox News and the voice in my head.

They amount to the same thing.

SDSU, Armstrong, and Flagpole will all be proven wrong. They will blow it off as the DA being a Republican and they will go back to transgender rights (SDSU), Tuohy peeping (Armstrong), and silly financial advice while he can't retire himself (Flagpole). These three have shown how biased they are in this thread.

Bald Always Win wrote:

SDSU, Armstrong, and Flagpole will all be proven wrong. They will blow it off as the DA being a Republican and they will go back to transgender rights (SDSU), Tuohy peeping (Armstrong), and silly financial advice while he can't retire himself (Flagpole). These three have shown how biased they are in this thread.

Flagpole pretends to be a finance and investing guru but when pressed on his investments he only owns like 3 mutual funds. He has no idea about diversification or anything. Just an embarrassment.

Bald Always Win wrote:

Only if they knew it was loaded? My buddy hands me a gun and tells me that it is unloaded and I point it at him and pull the trigger and kill him. No crime? According to you, I can walk away. No big deal because I thought it was unloaded. Oh well. It's only a human life.

If the guy in charge of the guns handed you a disabled weapon and told you when to point it and pull the trigger then I'd say it's the responsibility of the guy in charge if something goes wrong, no?

If Baldwin has followed the instructions of the people who were being paid to make sure things like this don't happen, it's not right they get to blame it on him.