"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

wusss alert wrote:

Being spoon fed what to think is a defining feature of “contrarians.”

Projection? Most antivaxxers I've come across have thought themselves to be brave "contrarians" who have some sort of insight the vast majority of people and experts are missing or are incapable of understanding; yet at the end of the day they are just gullible lemmings who a) wildly distort/misinterpret any legitimate data they may come across to fit their priors, b) get their information and beliefs from quacks and grifters on social media and other dubious channels that stroke their ego and confirmation bias.

Berenson is a dishonest hack who is willing to commit errors a middle school class on statistics would caution against.

Classic.

Accuses vax skeptics of not thinking. When confronted with data from the UK equivalent of the CDC that shows the vaxxed are dying at a much higher rate (double) than the unvaxxed, calls one of the two doctors mentioned in the article a dishonest hack. Like he knows all about the guy.

How about Dr. Gundry? A dishonest hack as well?

carmine9 wrote:

troll_69 wrote:

Berenson is a dishonest hack who is willing to commit errors a middle school class on statistics would caution against.

Classic.

Accuses vax skeptics of not thinking. When confronted with data from the UK equivalent of the CDC that shows the vaxxed are dying at a much higher rate (double) than the unvaxxed, calls one of the two doctors mentioned in the article a dishonest hack. Like he knows all about the guy.

How about Dr. Gundry? A dishonest hack as well?

That is literally what you do for most sources that don't agree with what you say. You either dismiss them as big pharma or as some other conspiracy-related group. You almost never engage with the substance of the source, and when you do, you completely ignore legitimate criticism that is directed at what you say (this includes the BS take from Berenson that was debunked a few pages ago). How can you post the above with a straight face?

wusss alert wrote:

Says the guy who just copy and pasted other peoples takes and passed it off as his own.

Being spoon fed what to think is a defining feature of “contrarians.”

Someone hijacked my username. I'm the original Wuss Alert

So many lame, intellectually dishonest cowards on this site.

Natural immunity is highly protective. 90%+ effective at preventing severe disease (resulting in hospital evaluation) and 100% effective at preventing serious illness/hospitalization and critical illness/ICU admittance.

I'd rather restrict my thanksgiving table to those w natural immunity vs the vaccinated. LOL, the pro-vaxx fetishists are such illogical, irrational twits

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

It's clear what we have is a pandemic ripping through the dry timber vaccinated with zero natural immunity.

This article finds no statistically significant difference in transmission potential between completely vaccinated people and those who were not fully vaccinated. Significant differences were detected in duration of RT-PCR positivity among fully vaccinated participants vs those not fully vaccinated (13 days each) or in duration of culture positivity (5 days each; surrogate marker of infectiousness).

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1

troll_69 wrote:

How can you post the above with a straight face?

It's *not* with a straight face: It's the classic troll move of repeating something that was debunked (more than once) some pages/days/threads/weeks back.

C9 is the troll formerly known as TU, and should be handled similarly: completely ignored and not responded to. As they say: Starve a troll today!

helping out the intellectually challenged wrote:

Natural immunity is highly protective. 90%+ effective at preventing severe disease (resulting in hospital evaluation) and 100% effective at preventing serious illness/hospitalization and critical illness/ICU admittance.

I'd rather restrict my thanksgiving table to those w natural immunity vs the vaccinated. LOL, the pro-vaxx fetishists are such illogical, irrational twits

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

Thanks for that. I had a bout with the Delta variant this past Sept. I experienced mild symptoms that self-resolved needing no medical intervention whatsoever (60 yrs old). Had the IGG antibody test through my health care provider that showed reactive for the SARS-COV-2 spike protein antibodies.

Natural immunity by far is the best over what any of these Unicorn vaccines can provide. But with an agenda from Fauci & the CDC to vax up every man, woman & child in this country regardless of any other circumstances, those with natural immunity get ignored & suppressed.

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helping out the intellectually challenged wrote:

It's clear what we have is a pandemic ripping through the dry timber vaccinated with zero natural immunity.

This article finds no statistically significant difference in transmission potential between completely vaccinated people and those who were not fully vaccinated. Significant differences were detected in duration of RT-PCR positivity among fully vaccinated participants vs those not fully vaccinated (13 days each) or in duration of culture positivity (5 days each; surrogate marker of infectiousness).

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1

Thank you for this link to a legitimate source. This is interesting and important.

Couple caveats, beyond the obvious one of the article's not yet having been peer-reviewed:

The minor one is the relatively small sample size--17 individuals!--for one of the tested groups. In addition, I could only read the abstract and so cannot determine whether/how the two groups were matched in personal characteristics (age, for example)--which, for all I know, might be signficant factors.

I do not consider those to automatically be insuperable problems. But I do note that the Oxford study, which worked with a vastly larger group, found reduced transmission by the vaccinated. "A large study, not yet peer-reviewed, led by a team at Oxford University and looking specifically at the Delta variant has shown that both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines do indeed reduce transmission of the disease. The study looked at almost 150,000 contacts who were traced from nearly 100,000 initial cases of COVID." [Emphasis mine.]

The major potential problem I see is that the study is based on *those who had infections*. We've all seen conflicting data, but there is certainly some compelling evidence that the vaccines prevent some infections in the first place. Hence, as a group the vaccinated would be less likely to transmit the virus, simply because fewer of them would be likely to be infected by it.

Nevertheless, thanks again for providing potentially useful information from a legitimate source.

*The major potential problem I see is that the study that "helping out the intellectually challenged" posted is based...

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

helping out the intellectually challenged wrote:

Natural immunity is highly protective. 90%+ effective at preventing severe disease (resulting in hospital evaluation) and 100% effective at preventing serious illness/hospitalization and critical illness/ICU admittance.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

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Natural immunity by far is the best over what any of these Unicorn vaccines can provide. But with an agenda from Fauci & the CDC to vax up every man, woman & child in this country regardless of any other circumstances, those with natural immunity get ignored & suppressed.

https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-naturally-acquired-immunity-to-covid-19-documented-linked-and-quoted/?_gl=1*1r4ho90*_ga*YW1wLWtweDB3Q1JGRGNvSUl4M05PVExoYzV1Z0pRT0doaDAzU050MWo2WWVvZ2dvcWdLV2xWTHRhN2w4VksxUDVqTlI

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Interesting additions to the discussion, and thanks! Two points to keep in mind here:

First, *acquiring* natural immunity can be dangerous--to the tune of ~800,000 Americans so far.

Second, Brownstone Institute has proven itself not a reliable source and unfortunately the article you linked, which does provide dozens of links to studies, has to be taken with a grain of salt--because those linked studies may have been cherry-picked from the thousands that have been conducted. A similar review of the literature, by a source that has *not* demonstrated its biases, would be a great help here.

"Overall, we rate the Brownstone Institute . . . Mixed for factual reporting due to a failed fact check and the promotion of misinformation regarding Covid-19."

No, what, I am the original Wuss Alert.

Stop defaming me.

Imagine being the poster who started this thread (or one of the several that continue to try to defend it), when so much data is available to refute the premise. Simply repeating the propaganda of the guilty establishment criminals that created this entire thing. Wake up, people.

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/40-places-where-covid-shots-have

troll_69 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

CDC updated their nationwide vaccine efficacy stats:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

The gap between the vaxxed and unvaxxed death rates got WORSE in September. Inconsistent with waning against severe disease.

Pandemic got the unvaccinated. Confirmed.

Status report for Day 95: antivaxers still going home DEVASTATED!

Also states with high obesity and diabetes rates. That's odd.

Pandemic of the unhealthy and immune compromised confirmed.

If only we had known this earlier, we could target mitigation measures and save the f'ing economy.

Wait, we did. But "never let a crisis go to waste" is the statist's mantra and here we are, the demise of western civilization, and freedom, accelerated by the statists and their useful idiots like Harambe, 2600, and Clown Puncher.

Pandemic of the vaccinated continues. It's not the unvaccinated overwhelming ER's it's the vaccinated morons shutting them down with their stupidity.

Happy thanksgiving everyone.

1 year on from our largest COVID wave, we still have thousands in the hospital. A vast majority unvaxxed.

Pandemic of the unvaccinated. Watch the deniers above try to twist stats left and right when they cannot refute that a large majority of those hospitalized are unvaccinated in the US.

As for the wannabe-scientists above babbling about “natural immunity,” I’ve never seen a poorer comprehension of the risks of COVID, nor a less consistent intellectual framework. And I have argued with Bad Wigins!

BidenFixedCovid wrote:

Pandemic of the unhealthy and immune compromised who aren't vaccinated confirmed.

FTFY.