Mo Katir suspended for whereabouts failures

I have already answered this post, but let me do it even more precisely: Your first three sentences here claim to show that two of my claims /quotes differ (inconsistently). But they don’t -you have just cut (the beginning of) the second one, so it looks like I there am saying something contrary: “says that uncastrated boar was improbable” (but this is not -only- what I am saying because that sentence starts with this: “based on the above” (in the CAS report) that underlines “near zero chance and 1:10000”. This is stated in the CAS report paragraph 106, that ends with this phrase: “based on the above”, f.ex 105 and 104, that use the phasing “zero” and “1:10000” in the same way I have done in both of my sayings you have cited.

Again, check the paragraphs and read for your self.

Come on, man. Stop dreaming and trolling with your off-topic distractions.

BTT: turns out Katir was lying all along, surprise surprise! Told you so!!

Rekrunner and rekbots go home devastated. What a shame for those who got cheated out of (better) medals during this cheater's reign.

Sure.

Are you now dreaming that whereabouts failures are something more than what I've said all along, and how WADA defines it?

I honestly don't see the big deal when athletes lack the discipline or awareness to update a website, or the personal planning to be where they said they would be.

Of course, it undermines strategic anti-doping testing, so a 2-year ban seems appropriate. But what is all this talk about people being cheated out of medals?

Dude you need to get laid

Been there, done that.

I'm honestly perplexed why anyone thinks anything about this news has sent me home devastated. I have rarely talked about Katir or his performances, or suspicions of doping.

I know people will want to believe that whereabouts failures somehow "proves" doping, because this time is different than other whereabouts failures, and that this "proof" supports another belief that doping helps elite 1500m runners run up to 8 seconds faster.

What is always missing for me are the necessary facts that could convert these strong and popular beliefs into supported proofs.

But people will believe what they want to believe, with or without facts.

Honestly?? Did you honestly forget how hard you continued to defend this cheater all the time?

I cannot forget something if it never happened. That is a big part of what perplexes me -- just how much imagination is required to uphold a set of myths. Oh what a tangled web you weave ....

I'm pretty sure I said the same thing WADA says -- "whereabouts failures" means a "missed test" or "filing failure". It is only 1 out of 11 possible anti-doping violations, and it is none of the others. It is not "presence", "use", or "evasion".

Katir's acceptance of the three whereabouts failures sends me home vindicated, not devastated.

In response to your question, it wasn't subjective.

I’m not devastated, but I think it’s a little sad my man Jakob will get a little less competition in the Euros. But I guess Nordås and Almgren maybe can take Katir’s role there..

We get it -there are unpopped dopers out there. But I think we knew that already. And there’s not a single top athlete nobody hasn’t called a doper -next time a guy is being caught somebody will burst out (again) in a hurrah: “I told you so!” But all the guys that never will get in any trouble -what about them? I will tell you; guys like you will mumble about how they are too advanced to be caught (but never suggest any way to improve the rules and the testing), but mumble, mumble… And sometimes you are right, and get a little flare of sunshine.

Saying that I too are pleased when suspicious athletes get their ban in a righteous manner. And I have posed a lot of ideas to catch dirty runners. But the uncaught ones bring me pleasure, and I leave it to Wada and AIU to suspect and hunt… (And I call for more founding here..).

Yes, that much is obvious, you pro-dopers are all alike.

But come on. Katir was one of the most obvious dopers! Sure lots of elite get accused here, but how many of them get their own they-must-be-doping-thread, where only 1 - 2 rekbots defend them?

Every time I see some one write something like this I throw him in my trash.

You are not nations of middle/long distances? just shut it.

Your history ended in 1964 and after that the only thing that remained are mythes like Zatopek that will never be able to reproduce.

Yes, we are so all alike that you think we are the same person..!

How many get their own doping thread? (you ask) -well, Nordås f.ex, got one (started by Thoughtsleader). And so on and so on. You are here to twist and cherry pick, and never check the facts…

You keep on calling me a pro-doper. -Do you even bother to read the other (main) thread about Katir’s doping ban? If so, you would have known that I proposed that Katir qualified for a doubling of the ban he got… Some pro-doping guy I am -am I..?

Is rekrunner jon orange ?

Haven't heard from him in a while

Not at all. While we may share some of the same skepticisms about how much performance can be impacted artificially, but there are significant differences.

He's Engish. I'm American.

He still likes to talk a lot about oxygen and physiology and energy production in the cell. I was interested for a while, asking him what is anaerobic if everything is aerobic, and eventually stopped looking so hard at the complex physiological performance model and started looking at race results.

Katir does seem to check some of the stereotypical boxes, being both Spanish and Moroccan.

But who is "pro-doper" here? I'm all in favor of following the applicable rules and sanctioning Katir for 2-years for his repeated failure to timely meet his administrative obligations.

Yet even after this admission and confirmation of whereabouts failures, can we yet say that Katir is a "cheater" and a "doper", let alone the "most obvious" one, without extending the meaning of these words to include his admitted lack of understanding and personal planning and timely updating of websites?

Any alleged "defense" in my posts is also enshrined in the contolling WADA Code, which clearly defines what "whereabouts failures" means, and makes a clear distinction between "whereabouts violations" and other violations, like "presence", "use", and "evasion".

Check the facts - I asked how many, without claiming there were 0 others - you responded with 1 example. That example is even wrong because lots of posters defended Nordas.

Well yes, you are a pro doper like rekrunner, see f.ex. how you (and rekrunner) keep defending Doper Houlihan and Doper Katir, and just yesterday you wrote about the dopers ("dirty runners"):

the uncaught ones bring me pleasure

I think you understand that I by “un caught” meant just what I wrote and not “dirty”. So let me give it to you by teaspoons: I don’t enjoy “dirty” un caught athletes (I want these to be caught), but I enjoy watching clean athletes race (un caught because they are clean). Thought you understood this by context: Why on earth should I propose better testing and prolonged bans if I liked to watch dirty runners race..!? Context, man…