A failure for the people who need protection.
A failure for the people who need protection.
One other thing not showing up in the statistics is if a person is fully vaxxed and has a number of comorbidities and dies, they are far more likely to not count the death as a COVID death than if the person was unvaccinated.
DanM wrote:
A failure for the people who need protection.
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
colder and wiser wrote:
DanM wrote:
A failure for the people who need protection.
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
Except the jab is not a vaccine and does not prevent or even slow the transmission of Covid.
The current claim is it lessens symptoms
colder and wiser wrote:
DanM wrote:
A failure for the people who need protection.
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
The mRNA shots are an entirely different type of chemical and biological formulation compared to every other vaccine we use.
Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
carmine9 wrote:
colder and wiser wrote:
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
Except the jab is not a vaccine and does not prevent or even slow the transmission of Covid.
The current claim is it lessens symptoms
Incorrect. 0/10
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DanM wrote:
colder and wiser wrote:
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
The mRNA shots are an entirely different type of chemical and biological formulation compared to every other vaccine we use.
Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
Sounds a bit like it's you who needs to read up on them
well......... wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Except the jab is not a vaccine and does not prevent or even slow the transmission of Covid.
The current claim is it lessens symptoms
Incorrect. 0/10
You honestly don't know this?
colder and wiser wrote:
DanM wrote:
A failure for the people who need protection.
The way we protect the vulnerable is for everyone to get vaccinated. That way disease doesn't spread and infect people who don't respond to the vaccine. This isn't some unique Covid thing. This is literally how we protect the vulnerable with every other vaccine we use. Please spend some time reading about vaccination.
Wrong on many levels. 1) the vaccinated are not only contracting disease, they're also spreading it in large numbers 2) many of those who are at greatest risk harness little to no immune reaction/response to the vaccine and thus are still at risk no matter how many times you booster them 3) this virus is endemic just like all other seasonal Coronaviruses and it's never going away; in fact, only the most supreme idiotic morons predicted the vaccines would stamp out the virus 4) my covid sniffle protects me better than your crappy mRNA shot protects me (or you)
Try to think a little harder. I know logic and science aren't your forte, but you could at least try to think from time to time.
From one month ago.
The strongest argument for COVID vaccine mandates has been that it’s not only about protecting one’s self. By getting vaccinated, the thinking has been, we reduce the chances of spreading infection to others and contribute to the broader battle against the virus.
But new evidence is strong that vaccinations do not reduce transmission by those who have been vaccinated.
A new study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology, a monthly peer-reviewed medical journal, examined 168 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States and concluded that higher vaccination rates are not associated with fewer COVID cases. The study is summarized here.
“At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days,” the researchers concluded. “In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.” (Emphasis added.)
At the county level, the researchers said, there “also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated.”
carmine9 wrote:
From one month ago.
The strongest argument for COVID vaccine mandates has been that it’s not only about protecting one’s self. By getting vaccinated, the thinking has been, we reduce the chances of spreading infection to others and contribute to the broader battle against the virus.
But new evidence is strong that vaccinations do not reduce transmission by those who have been vaccinated.
A new study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology, a monthly peer-reviewed medical journal, examined 168 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States and concluded that higher vaccination rates are not associated with fewer COVID cases. The study is summarized here.
“At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days,” the researchers concluded. “In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.” (Emphasis added.)
At the county level, the researchers said, there “also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated.”
This one's pretty simple. The more people that are vaccinated, the more the cases drop, the more restrictions are lifted, the more the virus is able to spread again (by both vacced and unvacced, with unvacced person more likely to spread it). That's a very different thing,
joed|rty wrote:
One other thing not showing up in the statistics is if a person is fully vaxxed and has a number of comorbidities and dies, they are far more likely to not count the death as a COVID death than if the person was unvaccinated.
Wrong. In the latest Italian data, most who die from Covid have 3 OR MORE comorbidities. So, you are horrendously wrong. More wrong than the wrongest thing ever.
Will you ever learn? It we don’t vaccinate, healthy people would die because the hospitals would be overrun. Do you want a diagram?
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you are a tool wrote:
joed|rty wrote:
One other thing not showing up in the statistics is if a person is fully vaxxed and has a number of comorbidities and dies, they are far more likely to not count the death as a COVID death than if the person was unvaccinated.
Wrong. In the latest Italian data, most who die from Covid have 3 OR MORE comorbidities. So, you are horrendously wrong. More wrong than the wrongest thing ever.
Will you ever learn? It we don’t vaccinate, healthy people would die because the hospitals would be overrun. Do you want a diagram?
First, there are very few eligible individuals who have not been vaccinated. Most unvaccinated are kids, and they are typically not the ones dying.
Second, they have a different testing standard for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (so they inflate the number of unvaccinated cases):
Since the beginning of the pandemic, the CDC has recommended a PCR test cycle threshold (CT) of 40. This flies in the face of scientific consensus, which has long been that a CT over 35 will produce 97% false positives,10 essentially rendering the test useless.11,12,13
In mid-May 2021, the CDC finally lowered its recommended CT count, but only for patients who have received one or more COVID shots.14 So, if you have received a COVID injection, the CDC’s guidelines call for your PCR test to be run at a CT of 28 or less. If you are unvaccinated, your PCR test is to be run at a CT of 40, which grossly overestimates the true prevalence of infection.
Third, if you were vaccinated at a pharmacy (like I and many other Americans), you are likely still considered unvaccinated in the counts:
Just because you got the COVID shot does not mean you’ve been confirmed as having gotten the shot. You’re only confirmed “vaccinated” if your COVID injection is added to your medical record, and this sometimes doesn’t happen if you’re going to a temporary vaccination clinic, a drive-through or pharmacy, for example. As reported by CNN:
“If you are among the countless people who didn’t get the doses at a primary care doctor’s office, there may not be any record of the vaccination on file with your doctor.”
To actually count as a “confirmed vaccinated” individual, you must send your vaccination card to your primary care physician’s office and have them add it to your electronic medical record. If you got the shot at a pharmacy, you’ll need to verify that they forwarded your proof of vaccination to your doctor. Primary care offices are then responsible for sharing their patients’ immunization data with the state’s immunization information system.
So, "unvaccinated" deaths are inflated, while "vaccinated" deaths are undercounted. All to support the false public narrative that at this point this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated. Hospitals were overrun in New Zealand in March at a time when there was pretty much no COVID cases in the country. How does that happen in a country without COVID?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/03/new-zealand-hospitals-in-crisis-after-biggest-months-on-record-doctors.htmlyou are a tool wrote:
joed|rty wrote:
One other thing not showing up in the statistics is if a person is fully vaxxed and has a number of comorbidities and dies, they are far more likely to not count the death as a COVID death than if the person was unvaccinated.
Wrong. In the latest Italian data, most who die from Covid have 3 OR MORE comorbidities. So, you are horrendously wrong. More wrong than the wrongest thing ever.
Will you ever learn? It we don’t vaccinate, healthy people would die because the hospitals would be overrun. Do you want a diagram?
Healthy people will die??? You've lost the plot.
joed|rty wrote:
One other thing not showing up in the statistics is if a person is fully vaxxed and has a number of comorbidities and dies, they are far more likely to not count the death as a COVID death than if the person was unvaccinated.
The stats don’t agree with my priors, therefore they must be made up!!
Bro, it’s OK to just admit that vaccines work rather than fabricating vast conspiracies. Wait, that’s what the deniers have been doing for years.
joedirtae wrote:
you are a tool wrote:
Wrong. In the latest Italian data, most who die from Covid have 3 OR MORE comorbidities. So, you are horrendously wrong. More wrong than the wrongest thing ever.
Will you ever learn? It we don’t vaccinate, healthy people would die because the hospitals would be overrun. Do you want a diagram?
First, there are very few eligible individuals who have not been vaccinated. Most unvaccinated are kids, and they are typically not the ones dying.
Second, they have a different testing standard for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (so they inflate the number of unvaccinated cases):
Since the beginning of the pandemic, the CDC has recommended a PCR test cycle threshold (CT) of 40. This flies in the face of scientific consensus, which has long been that a CT over 35 will produce 97% false positives,10 essentially rendering the test useless.11,12,13
In mid-May 2021, the CDC finally lowered its recommended CT count, but only for patients who have received one or more COVID shots.14 So, if you have received a COVID injection, the CDC’s guidelines call for your PCR test to be run at a CT of 28 or less. If you are unvaccinated, your PCR test is to be run at a CT of 40, which grossly overestimates the true prevalence of infection.
This is complete BS. The 28 Ct value you’re referring to was a threshold for full sequencing of breakthrough cases to track strains. It’s has NOTHING to do with calling a positive test. This misinformation has been debunked for months but you’ve dug it back up again in a desperate attempt to discredit vaccines as your predictions of doom and gloom are falling flat.
When the stats don’t match with what you want, you’re now trying to discredit the data. Just take the L like an adult, bro.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/pcr-tests-on-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people-are-evaluated-using-the-same-criteria-the-cdc-didnt-change-criteria-for-detecting-infection-in-vaccinated-people-as-alleged-in-off-guardian-a/There’s links to the primary sources in there. When you so willingly spread obvious misinformation it totally discredits anything else you say. You’re either lying or so scientifically incompetent that you get taken by the same propaganda repeatedly for months like a goldfish who can’t remember it’s last meal.
Wuss Alert wrote:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltextLOL
More of the left's illiberal deranged contradictions. They have no problem stigmatizing people for not partaking in a crappy vaccine but then they try to mainstream and destigmatize absolutely detestable things like pedophilia