counting the Soviet era: czechoslavakia, hungary, poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, eastern germany, georgia, ukraine...am I forgetting anyone? They have puppets in many nations like belarus. I'm sure I'm forgetting. Russian expansion is a very broad topic.
and now they are threatening moldova. no doubt they will invade moldova if they win in ukraine.
The soviet era is irrelevant.
NATO exists to oppose Russia. Russia does not want NATO in its border. NATO said they wouldn't expand eastward in 1991. NATO then gobbled up all of eastern Europe and the baltic states. Russia did nothing.
Russia does not do what it does for no reason. NATO has been provoking Russia for 30 years now.
Ok I listed all the nations the European nations ussr/Russia invaded. I left out Afghanistan to focus on europe.
now you name all the European nations nato has invaded. We will do a real life moral equivalence with you.
NATO exists to oppose Russia. Russia does not want NATO in its border. NATO said they wouldn't expand eastward in 1991. NATO then gobbled up all of eastern Europe and the baltic states. Russia did nothing.
Russia does not do what it does for no reason. NATO has been provoking Russia for 30 years now.
Ok I listed all the nations the European nations ussr/Russia invaded. I left out Afghanistan to focus on europe.
now you name all the European nations nato has invaded. We will do a real life moral equivalence with you.
If you're going to hold today's Russia accountable for the Soviet's then I can hold NATOP responsible for its members action pre-NATO.
NATOs members have invaded *checks notes* pretty much every country in the world. lol..
Great Britain colonized half of Africa, North America, and China.
France colonized the other half of Africa, North America, half the Caribbean, and southeast Asia.
Germany invaded France, Holland, Norway, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovkia, Russia, Romania, Greece, Yugoslavia, North Africa, and others, colonized Africa....
Spain... colonizer destroyed the Aztec and Incan civilizations...
Holland... colonizer started the trans-atlantic slave trade
You want to preach about "moral equivalence" LOL!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
so this is just a right wing team thing. Adult is just supporting team right wing.
he is willing to say bad things about LEFT wing Russia in the form of the USSR.
but he is unwilling to say bad things about RIGHT wing Russia, in today’s form.
even tho they do roughly the same things.
i get it now. It all makes sense. He’s just playing team politics. So simple and lame.
You refuse to acknowledge anything your "team" does wrong and anyone who refuses to play along with your delusion is just "playing team politics"...
You are a walking billboard for "simple and lame".
Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and bring back the Soviet Union because... he's a right winger.. LOL!
I have pants with a more sophisticated understanding of the world than you.
huh? no, that's a ridiculous assertion. I and most Dems think the Bush right wing war against Iraq was a big mistake and now we agree the Bush right wing war against Afghanistan was a mistake. the left is totally willing to admit US error. The US right has held that against the Dems forever. The US right wing HATES how level headed the left is when judging US activity.
But you....you just want to play team politics and support putin because he sees the world the same right wing way as you do - that modern liberalism must be defeated by all means necessary. You and him believe that.
It's all so clear. You are just playing team politics. The delicious part of course is that you claim to be the realist, seeing things from all sides. When really you are just joining on the team.
You refuse to acknowledge anything your "team" does wrong and anyone who refuses to play along with your delusion is just "playing team politics"...
You are a walking billboard for "simple and lame".
Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and bring back the Soviet Union because... he's a right winger.. LOL!
I have pants with a more sophisticated understanding of the world than you.
huh? no, that's a ridiculous assertion. I and most Dems think the Bush right wing war against Iraq was a big mistake and now we agree the Bush right wing war against Afghanistan was a mistake. the left is totally willing to admit US error. The US right has held that against the Dems forever. The US right wing HATES how level headed the left is when judging US activity.
But you....you just want to play team politics and support putin because he sees the world the same right wing way as you do - that modern liberalism must be defeated by all means necessary. You and him believe that.
It's all so clear. You are just playing team politics. The delicious part of course is that you claim to be the realist, seeing things from all sides. When really you are just joining on the team.
Such a tool.
In 2001 and 2003 you didn't.
You're not "level headed" you're 100% political. When Bush bombs a wedding it's a war crime. When Obama does it it's crickets.
You lie about EVERYTHING.
I don't give a damn about Putin. I care about America. I'm much smarter than you, however, so I understand that Russia is more important to the US's future than the Ukraine.
You idiots label everyone you dislike a "right winger" so you have absolutely no concept of of reality. You have WAAAY more in common with Putin than you do the GOP.
NATO exists to oppose Russia. Russia does not want NATO in its border. NATO said they wouldn't expand eastward in 1991. NATO then gobbled up all of eastern Europe and the baltic states. Russia did nothing.
Russia does not do what it does for no reason. NATO has been provoking Russia for 30 years now.
Russia did nothing? Except participate in the Transnistria War (1990–1992), the First Chechen War (1994–1996), the Second Chechen War (1999–2000), the Georgian war (2008), and the Ukrainian war (2014–present). So, at least 5 armed conflicts aimed at expanding or retaining Russian territory in the last 30 years. That's a LOT of doing nothing.
huh? no, that's a ridiculous assertion. I and most Dems think the Bush right wing war against Iraq was a big mistake and now we agree the Bush right wing war against Afghanistan was a mistake. the left is totally willing to admit US error. The US right has held that against the Dems forever. The US right wing HATES how level headed the left is when judging US activity.
But you....you just want to play team politics and support putin because he sees the world the same right wing way as you do - that modern liberalism must be defeated by all means necessary. You and him believe that.
It's all so clear. You are just playing team politics. The delicious part of course is that you claim to be the realist, seeing things from all sides. When really you are just joining on the team.
Such a tool.
In 2001 and 2003 you didn't.
You're not "level headed" you're 100% political. When Bush bombs a wedding it's a war crime. When Obama does it it's crickets.
You lie about EVERYTHING.
I don't give a damn about Putin. I care about America. I'm much smarter than you, however, so I understand that Russia is more important to the US's future than the Ukraine.
You idiots label everyone you dislike a "right winger" so you have absolutely no concept of of reality. You have WAAAY more in common with Putin than you do the GOP.
You're anti-speech you don't like. So's Putin!
You're pro big government. So's Putin!
You're pro socialism. So's Putin!
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
NATO exists to oppose Russia. Russia does not want NATO in its border. NATO said they wouldn't expand eastward in 1991. NATO then gobbled up all of eastern Europe and the baltic states. Russia did nothing.
Russia does not do what it does for no reason. NATO has been provoking Russia for 30 years now.
Russia did nothing? Except participate in the Transnistria War (1990–1992), the First Chechen War (1994–1996), the Second Chechen War (1999–2000), the Georgian war (2008), and the Ukrainian war (2014–present). So, at least 5 armed conflicts aimed at expanding or retaining Russian territory in the last 30 years. That's a LOT of doing nothing.
I was referring to their actions regarding the eastward expansion of NATO prior to 2008. NATO said it wouldn't move east and then gobbled up all of eastern Europe along with Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania before Russia did anything.
The US did what Russia did to Chechnya to several countries. You are holding Russia to a standard NATO cannot meet.
You're not "level headed" you're 100% political. When Bush bombs a wedding it's a war crime. When Obama does it it's crickets.
You lie about EVERYTHING.
I don't give a damn about Putin. I care about America. I'm much smarter than you, however, so I understand that Russia is more important to the US's future than the Ukraine.
You idiots label everyone you dislike a "right winger" so you have absolutely no concept of of reality. You have WAAAY more in common with Putin than you do the GOP.
You're anti-speech you don't like. So's Putin!
You're pro big government. So's Putin!
You're pro socialism. So's Putin!
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
Bernie Sanders won the 2016 nomination. They had to steal it from him. They had to do it again in 2020...
AOC is openly socialist and is the defacto leader of the party.
As always you're either lying or too ignorant to be giving your opinion...
Just asking...Did you actively protest the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or did you just sit on the sidelines for 20 years and now declare those wars were a mistake? Lazy liberal thinkers, right wingers and your garden variety Zionists did nothing to protest the wars and some, along with the left/right media, cheered it on.
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
So you agree that Russia/Putin is a socialist dictator? That would put him firmly on the left. Earlier you mistakenly called Putin "right-wing".
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
So you agree that Russia/Putin is a socialist dictator? That would put him firmly on the left. Earlier you mistakenly called Putin "right-wing".
Putin is not a socialist dictator. Russia has a weird mixed economy that cannot be easily described or classified.
His governing style is right wing - appealing to a mystical soul of the people, depending on blood and soil as rah-rah elements, being very militaristic and imperial. That's not a left-wing style.
Russia is a strange country right now that is hard to classify. but I don't see much that is left wing. A left wing country 'fights' for the working class. a right wing country 'fights' for the dominant ethnic group. Clearly russia right now is more right than left.
Plus, russia is against much of the 'woke' stuff that the US right wing hates. that's the real twinning between russia and the US left and one reason why russia helped get trump elected.
So you agree that Russia/Putin is a socialist dictator? That would put him firmly on the left. Earlier you mistakenly called Putin "right-wing".
Putin is not a socialist dictator. Russia has a weird mixed economy that cannot be easily described or classified.
His governing style is right wing - appealing to a mystical soul of the people, depending on blood and soil as rah-rah elements, being very militaristic and imperial. That's not a left-wing style.
Russia is a strange country right now that is hard to classify. but I don't see much that is left wing. A left wing country 'fights' for the working class. a right wing country 'fights' for the dominant ethnic group. Clearly russia right now is more right than left.
Plus, russia is against much of the 'woke' stuff that the US right wing hates. that's the real twinning between russia and the US left and one reason why russia helped get trump elected.
It is pure leftist fantasy that only the right is militaristic. ALL dictators are militaristic because the military secures their power.
EVERYONE on earth but leftists in the west are against the woke nonsense.
Russia preferred Trump because Trump said there was no reason for Russia and the US to be enemies.
You're not "level headed" you're 100% political. When Bush bombs a wedding it's a war crime. When Obama does it it's crickets.
You lie about EVERYTHING.
I don't give a damn about Putin. I care about America. I'm much smarter than you, however, so I understand that Russia is more important to the US's future than the Ukraine.
You idiots label everyone you dislike a "right winger" so you have absolutely no concept of of reality. You have WAAAY more in common with Putin than you do the GOP.
You're anti-speech you don't like. So's Putin!
You're pro big government. So's Putin!
You're pro socialism. So's Putin!
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
While the Dem Party has a socialist flavor (bigger government is always the default), what they really are is a collusion of corporate(especially media) + government, as particularly evident during the covid madness. This is fascism, the one party state where profits and decree can fully align to defeat democracy and freedom to operate and speak freely.
ah, calling the US Democratic Party 'socialist.' always the last refuge of scoundrels. And it betrays the total lack of brains of whoever says it, and their utter following of right wing media memes.
Dude, use your giant brain and look up 'socialism' some time. It doesn't mean 'expand the child tax credit.' it means 'government owning of the means of production.'
what a complete tool. go read some right wing memes and think you are learning something.
While the Dem Party has a socialist flavor (bigger government is always the default), what they really are is a collusion of corporate(especially media) + government, as particularly evident during the covid madness. This is fascism, the one party state where profits and decree can fully align to defeat democracy and freedom to operate and speak freely.
Putin is not a socialist dictator. Russia has a weird mixed economy that cannot be easily described or classified.
His governing style is right wing - appealing to a mystical soul of the people, depending on blood and soil as rah-rah elements, being very militaristic and imperial. That's not a left-wing style.
Russia is a strange country right now that is hard to classify. but I don't see much that is left wing. A left wing country 'fights' for the working class. a right wing country 'fights' for the dominant ethnic group. Clearly russia right now is more right than left.
Plus, russia is against much of the 'woke' stuff that the US right wing hates. that's the real twinning between russia and the US left and one reason why russia helped get trump elected.
ALL dictators are militaristic because the military secures their power.
we can mostly agree on that. I'm sure there are exceptions but mostly, sure. dictators rule at the point of a gun.
Putin is not a socialist dictator. Russia has a weird mixed economy that cannot be easily described or classified.
His governing style is right wing - appealing to a mystical soul of the people, depending on blood and soil as rah-rah elements, being very militaristic and imperial. That's not a left-wing style.
Russia is a strange country right now that is hard to classify. but I don't see much that is left wing. A left wing country 'fights' for the working class. a right wing country 'fights' for the dominant ethnic group. Clearly russia right now is more right than left.
Plus, russia is against much of the 'woke' stuff that the US right wing hates. that's the real twinning between russia and the US left and one reason why russia helped get trump elected.
Russia preferred Trump because Trump said there was no reason for Russia and the US to be enemies.
oh you make yourself laugh, don't you?
look up how russia has been funding and helping right wing and left wing candidates for generations in europa and america.
russia wants candidates who cause chaos in democracies. that's what russia wants and that's why russia supported the trump campaign. trump was the chaos candidate. HRC was the 'keep america strong' candidate.
but we should not talk us politics on this thread - they'll delete it if we do.
Russia preferred Trump because Trump said there was no reason for Russia and the US to be enemies.
oh you make yourself laugh, don't you?
look up how russia has been funding and helping right wing and left wing candidates for generations in europa and america.
russia wants candidates who cause chaos in democracies. that's what russia wants and that's why russia supported the trump campaign. trump was the chaos candidate. HRC was the 'keep america strong' candidate.
but we should not talk us politics on this thread - they'll delete it if we do.
But... the media said Russia never interfered until the scary orange man came?
HRC is the embodiment of the swamp and the military industrial complex. Trump threatened that and the swamp and the establishment went insane.