"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Wuss alert wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Do you admit that the COVID vaccines have saved lives?

Yes, of course they've saved lives. But the only lives saved are those that were at risk to begin with among unhealthy, chronically ill, overweight people. And now they're going to have to booster themselves every 6 months to maintain their subpar immunity. And, frankly, the sickest of the sick should be receiving prophylatic monoclonals since many are not capable of harnessing any immune response to the shot whatsoever. Vaccinating (and boostering) every passer by isn't going to save these people from their chronic illnesses and poor lifestyle habits.

What if the 3 dose regimen confers much longer-lasting circulating Ab response = much longer-lasting 90+% protection against mild disease and transmission?

You seem to be demanding that the vaccines work as you say they should rather and 3 doses = failure. No real reason to decide that other than not wanting Biden and Big Pharma to get a 'W'.

Also considering that most of America falls into your definition of unhealthy - isn't a vaccine that is protecting most of American from severe disease actually quite successful?

Boston Guy wrote:

Harambe wrote:

You can come up with hypotheticals to excuse the antivaxxers murderous behavior, but the fact stands that this kind of lethal resource-hogging has never happened before. Congrats to the antivaxxers for a new level of selfishness.

Simple solution: if the hospital is full, then stop treating unvaccinated Covid patients. Kick them to the curb and let them die there. Who cares? I certainly don't.

The rest of us would like normal life back and IDGAF what happens to anyone anymore.

Well, many would argue that vaccine mandates are a more ethical alternative than asking doctors to forego the hippocratic oath. But I agree that if you are deathly opposed to vaccine mandates, denying care to the unvaccinated is your ONLY ethical alternative.

'What if' is a far cry from 'It does'.

Show me the data. Show me the randomized placebo controlled clinical trial data (not surrogate antibody levels) showing boostering healthy ppl <65 years old prevents deaths and hospitalizations and is safe, well tolerated. Until then, your speculations show you to be a anti-science twit. Because you don't know the meaning of rigorous, evidence-based science and medicine.

BidenFixedCovid wrote:

OSHA suspends enforcement of the ridiculous vaccine mandate. Vax pushers, big pharma, Harambe, 2600, and Clown puncher, go home devastated:

https://www.yahoo.com/now/osha-suspends-enforcement-biden-vaccine-171701465.html

Vax mob mafia owned. This is not the end, but a victory nonetheless.

Don't be surprised if they come up with an even more draconian "ultimate work around".

Massachusetts State of Emergency declared: 2020-03-10 Days since: 617

First mRNA shots administered in the US: 2020-12-14 Days since: 338

Show me placebo controlled, randomized, controlled trials that losing weight, exercise, and lifestyle change protects you from COVID? If you are going to demand stringency on one end...

I would love controlled trials on every vaccination scheme, boosters, dosing, time frame etc. but it's a very hard sell from a public health standpoint... at some point it's counterproductive!

The vast majority of the evidence from prior trials and observational data support the safety and efficacy of vaccines so we feel good moving forward with booster recommendations! Observational data - controlled even! - will be collected and we will get a good sense of how much more durable a third dose makes the immune response.

Dude, you can't compare previous vaccine safety or measures for safety with that for mRNA vaccines. We are already playing a dangerous game. The data are out that expressed spike proteins can enter the nucleus and muck things up. So far you have only shown yourself here to be a disingenuous unscientific tart with an obsessive compulsive need to seem smart and correct; none of those you have been. The water you are treading is is dirty and flawed with naive short-sightedness. If the full spike protein can in-vitro inhibit DNA repair then this needs to be quickly and heavily explored in vivo or else we are playing with fire and potentially the early death of billions, particularly if everyone is roped into continual boosters invoking a constant stream of spike proteins available to permanently muck up basic cellular functioning. Just admit you have no idea, because you have no idea of the complex situation that you are hand-waving away while you ramble and mock people who think you are a coward who needs to control everyone. "Pandemic of idiots like Bro2600, confirmed!!!"

Wuss alert wrote:

'What if' is a far cry from 'It does'.

Show me the data. Show me the randomized placebo controlled clinical trial data (not surrogate antibody levels) showing boostering healthy ppl <65 years old prevents deaths and hospitalizations and is safe, well tolerated. Until then, your speculations show you to be a anti-science twit. Because you don't know the meaning of rigorous, evidence-based science and medicine.

Well, 700k excess deaths necessarily calls a for a little more urgency. Not saying you do, but I always find it funny that so many antivaxxers demand ever more clinical trials for the vaccine but are fine giving everyone Mabs, IVM, HCQ, etc with far, far less clinical data.

The trials for boosters are in progress and there's some adverse event data published already (see appendix):

Also Pfizer has reported their booster RCT results, just hasn't been published yet:

I get you will continually move the goalposts but at least you admit the vaccines have saved countless lives so far!

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

The data are out that expressed spike proteins can enter the nucleus and muck things up. If the full spike protein can in-vitro inhibit DNA repair then this needs to be quickly and heavily explored in vivo or else we are playing with fire and potentially the early death of billions,

Bro, you know what hits you with an even larger, more systemic dose of spike protein than the vaccine?

Your fearmongering never stops :)

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

The data are out that expressed spike proteins can enter the nucleus and muck things up. If the full spike protein can in-vitro inhibit DNA repair then this needs to be quickly and heavily explored in vivo or else we are playing with fire and potentially the early death of billions,

Bro, you know what hits you with an even larger, more systemic dose of spike protein than the vaccine?

Your fearmongering never stops :)

What? Not the virus. Most people do not even have a severe systemic infection. The virus replicates itself, the whole virus, not just the spike protein. Expressing the cytotoxic spike protein in your cells is about the dumbest plan out there; there are too many ways this can go wrong. I am sorry you are too dumb to realize how naive the world is being right now. It is one thing to vaccinate the sick and elderly, and another to push the risk on the whole population for no significant gain. Urging caution and patience is not-fear mongering, claiming that the virus does something to healthy people that it does not to scare people into more and more mRNA shots is considered fear mongering; doing it knowing the risks may be disasterous and is outright irrepsonsible and even murderous. You losing all credibility to just have wave these concerns away. It is clear you have no business in the science world and you boy Bro has just a child's understanding of how bad this can go wrong.

Harambe wrote:

See thread:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785670110150657

"So, the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed."

Tha Pandemic is over. Please pay attention to the current Science. Idiot

Your inability to comprehend the most basic principles of clinical medicine and evidence based guidelines is truly shocking. No those 'studies' you quote are inadequate for a variety of reasons, primarily because they make the same mistakes and have the same limitations as the base studies. They need to perform adequately powered OUTCOME studies to show the boosters are effective in terms of preventing serious illness and death. Until such studies are performed, it is unethical to demand people indiscriminately take these shots.

David Lee Pollison wrote:

Harambe wrote:

See thread:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785670110150657

"So, the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed."

Tha Pandemic is over. Please pay attention to the current Science. Idiot

I am not sure why Harambe is so obsessed with posting tweets from a guy who gets funding from Moderna; no bias there. Yes, he is an idiot, lying, troll.

Another study showing natural immunity is superior to the crappy vaccines. It's studies like this that show why the vaccine companies are so resistant to conducting rigorous, properly controlled trials with natural immunity as an arm. It's truly disgusting the games that are being played here so Fauci/CDC/FDA can save face and Pfizer/Moderna/AZ can fill their pockets with $$$$$

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.08.21266055v1

What’s up with Vermont? Our most highly vaccinated state:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/vermont/

Gibraltar. Everybody is vaccinated.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/christmas-cancelled-in-gibraltar-the-most-vaccinated-place-in-the-world/ar-AAQPlkK

Wuss alert wrote:

Your inability to comprehend the most basic principles of clinical medicine and evidence based guidelines is truly shocking. No those 'studies' you quote are inadequate for a variety of reasons, primarily because they make the same mistakes and have the same limitations as the base studies. They need to perform adequately powered OUTCOME studies to show the boosters are effective in terms of preventing serious illness and death. Until such studies are performed, it is unethical to demand people indiscriminately take these shots.

You are hilarious. If they prevent infection they prevent death from infection. It’s a lot harder to get large enough populations where people end up dying because 2 doses is already very protective against death.

I get that you ask for perfection so you can reject anything and everything… while claiming infection driven immunity is superior at the cost of 700k lives.

Clinging to Berenson is worse than the Russiagate hangers-on in 2021.

Embarrassing… but you’re fun to listen to.

Dude, you really are pretty dumb, sounding more and more so each day. Infection driven immunity for most would have gotten us out of this the most quickly and protect the population from a lot of unknown risks. We only needed to focus on the vulnerable, but you are too dumb to realize that this was always and is usually the best course of action. Instead 700,000 mostly elderly Americans are dead and they continue to die because idiots like yourself were focused on running experiments on children. I am back to considering you a murderer, because you are.

Wuss alert wrote:

Another study showing natural immunity is superior to the crappy vaccines. It's studies like this that show why the vaccine companies are so resistant to conducting rigorous, properly controlled trials with natural immunity as an arm. It's truly disgusting the games that are being played here so Fauci/CDC/FDA can save face and Pfizer/Moderna/AZ can fill their pockets with $$$$$

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.08.21266055v1

They realllyyyy should gate for live cells when assessing trapped cytokines especially with that FSC/SSC plot and raw particle count. That’s some noisy analysis especially with pretty poor IFNy MFI shift and their high control posture %. Possible that their recombinant antigen is just poor quality? I’d like to see a time course for the in vitro restim at a minimum.

Regardless of noisy data I don’t see how that paper makes any case against the vaccines we use in the USA. Even their two vaccines showed good results. Plus… IFNy and CD40L are pretty crude markers for T cell mediated viral immunity. But it’s a start.

I won’t support ANYTHING without RCTs on all the OUTCOMES.

Posts noisy study showing IFNy response is slightly higher (infection vs non-mRNA vaccines) against in vitro recombinant Delta RBD restimulation as PROOF infection driven immunity is vastly better than vaccines

Cool bro.