"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

This supposed vaccine does absolutely nothing at preventing spread or prevention from getting it. It’s a therapeutic, like Ivermectin, that is said to help you thru catching it. Nothing more.

A ZPac should help you if you catch the flu. Many travelers take them before travel.

Do we mandate them? Do we force them down people’s throats?

Noyankee wrote:

I’ll bet you cannot find 1 person who died exclusively from Covid let alone 280,000.

How much, what criteria would you accept for "died exclusively from Covid", and who would you like as a neutral party arbitrator?

i agree

Noyankee wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Can you quantify "tons of people"?

About 280,000 U.S. citizens have died of Covid in the past six months when vaccines were widely available and could have prevented the vast majority of those deaths. That seems like a pretty significant public health burden.

So off the charts misleading argument. I’ll bet you cannot find 1 person who died exclusively from Covid let alone 280,000. How many people die from the flu? Heart disease? Cancer? Real killers.

Michigan numbers up up and away. Another liberal mess.

Are you seriously arguing that because people die of cancer, heart disease etc, we shouldn't try to prevent people from dying of Covid?

A few points for today.

1. Biden is a buffoon and his "vaccine mandate" is an extension of his buffoonery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/us/politics/court-vaccine-mandate.html

2. Hold on vaxx fetishists, 'cuz the crappy "efficacy" of your unholy obsession is about to get even crappier.

https://fortune.com/2021/11/16/enochian-biosciences-ceo-predicts-vaccine-resistant-covid-variant-in-2022/

3. It's egregious that Fauci is telling everyone to hoard a booster shot for themselves when the safety/efficacy of said therapy (cuz let's face it, it's an immune therapy not a vaccine if you have to take 3+ shots in under 1 year) is unproven and unregistered and unapproved. In fact, Fauci should lose his medical license for recommending off label usage of these shots in unapproved populations.

4. Finally. The booster frenzy is a reflection of the left’s topsy turvey ethics and morality. Compel healthy Americans at near zero risk of covid morbidity/mortality to take a shot they don’t need and unproven booster too while elderly at risk people around the globe go without? Claim it's every 5+ year old American's civic duty to hoard a shot for themselves when highly at risk people in other places go without? It's absolutely reprehensible and indefensible, but the left's deranged, perverted thinking is embraced widely by most Americans. Our public schools are to blame. Just like the idolization and worshipping of a criminal who held a knife to a pregnant woman's belly and threatened to kill her and her unborn child. And the riots in honor of him. The democrats are an absolutely repugnant party.

Slate Star Codex looks at IVM:

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted

Finds that a lot of IVM success is simply from deworming in parasite-rich countries...

https://twitter.com/AviBittMD/status/1460855430805180421

This is an extremely thorough analysis of every study used in the scammy ivm-meta page. I suspect it's too much for IVM believers to digest.

Wuss alert wrote:

4. Finally. The booster frenzy is a reflection of the left’s topsy turvey ethics and morality. Compel healthy Americans at near zero risk of covid morbidity/mortality to take a shot they don’t need and unproven booster too while elderly at risk people around the globe go without? Claim it's every 5+ year old American's civic duty to hoard a shot for themselves when highly at risk people in other places go without? It's absolutely reprehensible and indefensible, but the left's deranged, perverted thinking is embraced widely by most Americans. Our public schools are to blame. Just like the idolization and worshipping of a criminal who held a knife to a pregnant woman's belly and threatened to kill her and her unborn child. And the riots in honor of him. The democrats are an absolutely repugnant party.

We shouldn't be giving boosters to young Americans when most of the world is unvaccinated. I agree.

The second half of your post is just the usual spiraling left-hate BS that makes it/you/your points very hard to take seriously. Keeping partisanism out of these discussions makes it friendlier/more informative/more didactic for everyone (including me).

Again, this isn’t supposed to happen after you take a vaccine.

This was always about control, never about public health.

I don't know, forcing doctors to order a medication against their will doesn't sound much like "freedom", does it?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-teacher-at-center-of-ivermectin-lawsuit-dies-of-covid-husband-says-name-a-law-after-her/ar-AAQOjEH?li=BBorjTa

By the way, I couldn't find anything about this woman's vaccination status, but given the love affair she/her husband have with Ivermectin, I'm guessing that she was not.

Sad case, as are all deaths, particularly the preventable ones.

No we shouldn't be giving shots to healthy people <30 years old with no comorbidities period. Instead, we should be endeavoring to vaccinate people across the globe who are at risk. It's really pretty simple logic. And, no, I'm not keeping partisanism out of my discussions because the left's perverted thinking/ethics/morality has to be exposed and vilified. The left's dogmatic religion: the religion of contradictions. Men are women. Illiberal is liberal. Racism is anti-racism. Crime is anti-Crime. Illogic is logic. Ya know, the usual deranged thinking.

2 hours ago, I talked to my nephew, a paramedic. He will not be getting a booster. While he believed in mRNA shots during the initial rollout, he and his coworkers now have their doubts about vaccine effectiveness.

An increasing number of people are coming to the conclusion that the public has been hoodwinked by Fauci and his gang of con artists.

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Again, this isn’t supposed to happen after you take a vaccine.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEZ2Y0tVEAIj5Ha?format=jpg&name=small

This was always about control, never about public health.

. . . But there has been a rise in serious cases and fatalities among senior citizens who rejected vaccines or people in long-term care settings whose immunities have waned after being inoculated early in the vaccine rollout, which began in late February. . . .

Did you intend to make the case for universal vaccination and booster shots for vulnerable sub-populations or is it just incidental that your own article contradicts your narrative?

I'm not sure that there are many here who are against the vaxx entirely. I think elderly, fat or immunocompromised people should get it. I'm a fantastically fit 40something. The vaxx made me more sick than I've felt in years. I'm not worried about covid.

DanM wrote:

2 hours ago, I talked to my nephew, a paramedic. He will not be getting a booster. While he believed in mRNA shots during the initial rollout, he and his coworkers now have their doubts about vaccine effectiveness.

An increasing number of people are coming to the conclusion that the public has been hoodwinked by Fauci and his gang of con artists.

But your nephew with be thrown into ranks of the outlawed unvaccinated:

The lunatic vaxx czar is ramping up the heat with the booster shots. The man is completely out of control and is ignoring the science on all fronts.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Harambe wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/

Even one death is murderous from the antivaxxers

You are resorting to one-off examples.

Everyone else reading deserves to know that you are using smoke and mirrors. You are telling people "don't trust what your eyes see and what your ears hear". Up is down. Wrong is right.

"WE are the good guys. THEY are the ones fear mongering!"

It's an interesting phenomenon to yell the opposite of the truth so loudly and repeatedly in the hopes that people follow you.

The truth is: you are the fear monger. You are the one who clings to the argument that tons of people are dying from covid and because of that, that's a serious problem and we need to "vaccinate your children."

The poster I replied to claimed that antivaxxers did not murder innocent Americans by hogging medical resources unnecessarily. I showed evidence that they did. Unclear how you managed to misunderstand that but I hope that clears it up.

Wuss alert wrote:

No we shouldn't be giving shots to healthy people <30 years old with no comorbidities period. Instead, we should be endeavoring to vaccinate people across the globe who are at risk. It's really pretty simple logic. And, no, I'm not keeping partisanism out of my discussions because the left's perverted thinking/ethics/morality has to be exposed and vilified. The left's dogmatic religion: the religion of contradictions. Men are women. Illiberal is liberal. Racism is anti-racism. Crime is anti-Crime. Illogic is logic. Ya know, the usual deranged thinking.

Ok buddy go back to watching Fox and getting riled up.

I am always fascinated how people are so susceptible to this kind of political mass hysteria. Isn’t it more fun to be a sports fan if you’re gonna have a religion?