Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trump associates are lining up and going different ways.

Manafort has been convicted on numerous counts and has had a plea bargain rejected due to his lies.

Roger Stone is taking the fifth. He won’t incriminate himself or Trump.

Michael Cohen is fully cooperating. He has recordings and bank records.

Michael Flynn has just been recommended no prison time for his cooperation.

He was highly involved in Trump’s campaign. He was fired for lying to the VP about discussing sanctions with Russia before the inauguration. Trump told Comey to leave him alone. Obstruction of justice.

He has tons of evidence on Trump. Major crime if it was Trump who directed no to talk about those sanctions.

Which hunt

As in, which Trump associate will Mueller Hunt next.

Jr?

jamin wrote:

Mueller is a dishonorable man leading a sham investigation.

ah,the sight of former law and order conservatives wanting all sorts of law breaking to go unpunished.

makes you feel great about humanity, no?

No?

No.

L L wrote:

There will be no single summary report.

Just a series of indictments, pleas and trials until The House has enough to impeach.

(There’s probably enough already)

They'll be a summary report eventually but at least some of what will be in that report is being laid out by Mueller as he indicts, pleas and recommends sentence making it more difficult for anyone to step on the summary and keep it out of the public eye.

I still don't think we'll see any recommendations from Mueller and he may issue no further indictments and, rather, just continue to release information as evidence and allow Congress to take it from there. Mueller is supposedly in the very late stages of the investigation and near to the point of bringing it to a conclusion. I thought we'd see some further indictments closer to the President but now I'm not sure we do.

Some legal experts today have asserted that because of the large amount of redactions today that that means Mueller is not that close. I suppose that "close" is subjective, but the time frame one said was "at least 6 months".

Don't worry about more indictments coming close to the President. Kushner and Don Jr. will get them for sure. I THINK Stone and Corsi will also. Ivanka perhaps. Eric perhaps.

Nadler is going to introduce that for a President, the statute of limitations should be frozen while they are in office so that a criminal President can be indicted afterwards, in effect making it so that a President is not above the law (well, a President still has more legal privileges than the average American, but this would make it better).

Honest Gary wrote:

Wrong, again. You're still following your boy FP, eh? He's not being impeached, hardly. Read the other side of the news and you might change your mind. Here's a hint: Q

If you don't know what that means, then you are only watching Liberal Dribble Nonsense. Trump is not being impeached and by following FP, you only look more ignorant.

Serious Question: Is someone who posts, "Here's a hint: Q" parodying the brain dead? Or are they sincerely showing their own brain deadness?

I just have the hardest time believing that someone who is able to spell a few words in the English language correctly could possibly take this Q-Anon thing seriously.

Flagpole wrote:

A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.

FP and I have limited points of agreement, but this is one.

The average IQ of (four-year) college graduates is ~115 (or was--the four-more-years-of-high-school-ization of many colleges may have brought the average closer to 110). That's one standard deviation above the mean, so it's above ~84% of the population.

Of course, the 115 is an *average* and so a 135, for example, offsets two 105s (we're talking about more than 16% of the population, in other words). There are doubtless many college grads below 110; even a few, though only a few, below 100: hard-working and highly motivated students who grind out degrees.

But the fact remains: A four-year college education is not needed by a majority of Americans and not helpful to them; and the attempt to gain one can mean decades of "loan slavery" for them, hindering wealth accumulation and entrepreneurship. The "everyone should go to college" meme is pernicious.

L L wrote:

Free college isn’t primarily for getting more people into college.

It’s to reduce the financial burden of those that do go to college and get them started in their professional lives with little or no debt.

It’s an economic stimulus that also has a kicker of producing more people capable of higher earnings (paying higher taxes).

It’s fiscallly sound and has plenty of value.

Your view would not have ever gotten us public high school for all.

I take a middle-ground view on this.

The problem with free college for all is that it does lead to unqualified students who attend substandard schools. That's bad for taxpayers and ultimately bad for students as well.

I'm fine with government support of higher education, but only for schools who maintain the highest standards. That is tough to codify into law but I think it can be done. Other nations have been able to do it so we can too.

Flagpole wrote:A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.

That true statement is independent of the question as to whether it is a good or bad idea to make higher education free, like it is in many European countries.

The basic argument in favour of state-funded college education is that it evens the playing field, allowing people from any background equal access to the same educational opportunities. At present, in the US there is a very significant difference between the education you can get straight out of the hood (maybe a couple of years at third-rate schools, depending on what state you live in) versus the inherited entitlements of a trust fund baby, and this magnifies and perpetuates class differences.

Depending on your point of view, this (the current system in the US) is either a good thing or a bad thing. I'll not weigh in on what y'all ought to do, you can work it out amongst yourselves.

mundus vult decipi wrote:

I haven't posted on this site in years but have followed this thread.

Mueller just recommended that Flynn receive NO prison times. This, almost certainly, means that Mueller has the goods.

It's also a signal to witnesses that Tiny is not the only one who can grant a "pardon".

Mueller has shown that loyalty to the nation and to the truth can set you free. Loyalty to the president might get you a pardon down the road, but only if that pardon serves Tiny's self-interest.

Who would you trust?

Honest Gary wrote:

Wrong, again. You're still following your boy FP, eh? He's not being impeached, hardly. Read the other side of the news and you might change your mind. Here's a hint: Q

If you don't know what that means, then you are only watching Liberal Dribble Nonsense. Trump is not being impeached and by following FP, you only look more ignorant.

I laughed out loud when I read your post. Made my day.

If Trumper's great hope is Q then they are in for a world of hurt.

Flagpole wrote:

A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.

There is tremendous value in a college education that goes far beyond training for a job. The number one benefit of college is that you learn how to learn. You learn to think critically.

If everyone was willing and able to complete a rigorous college degree then that would be a great benefit to society.

But that's a big "if".

I'm not saying free college for all.

You would have to be academically accepted.

But basically free for all that apply to community college.

And I'm not saying free room and board.

People that don't want to go to college, won't go.

But a better educated workforce free of debt or burdensome expenses will pay off.

Wouldn't it be funny if Paul Ryan called a vote for impeachment now, before his time as Speaker is up?

It would be voted no with the current Congress.

And that could help Trump, having a no vote on the record.

Then Nancy could take it a month later.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

A college education is not needed for all people or even most people.

There is tremendous value in a college education that goes far beyond training for a job. The number one benefit of college is that you learn how to learn. You learn to think critically.

If everyone was willing and able to complete a rigorous college degree then that would be a great benefit to society.

But that's a big "if".

Critical learning skills are not exclusive to a college environment and their are countless examples of people achieving great things and contributing positively to society without formal education. This is essentially an epistemological argument and is somewhat played out in the conversation between Socrates and Glaucon in the Republic and later beat to death a thousand times by Locke (dude was seriously obsessed) for anyone interested.

Fat hurts wrote:

If Trumper's great hope is Q then they are in for a world of hurt.

Like, the guy in the James Bond series?

Racket wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

If Trumper's great hope is Q then they are in for a world of hurt.

Like, the guy in the James Bond series?

Yes. :-)

This is kind of astounding. Volkswagen, the world's largest automaker, just announced that its last new model based on an internal combustion engine will be released in 2026.

Electrification is happening fast. The nation with the cheapest electricity will dominate on the world stage. Solar, wind, hydro, and grid storage are the keys to cheap electricity.

We need to pass the Green New Deal as soon as possible. But Tiny wants to go in the other direction by propping up expensive coal and eliminating subsidies that help us move into the future.

L L wrote:

Wouldn't it be funny if Paul Ryan called a vote for impeachment now, before his time as Speaker is up?

Not just funny--it would be a brilliant way of owning the Dems. Each Democratic representative would have to go on record, yea or nay, as making a vote based on incomplete info*; then s/he would be saddled with that vote forever. And the House would defeat the motion anyway, naturally.

Of course, Ryan's introducing this would put him (and probably his family) in physical danger, so I can't imagine his doing it. But it would be hugely entertaining.

*Sure, there's an argument that there's already enough material to impeach . . . but there's more material coming, so we still have "incomplete info."

Seems more like a problem with the for profit school model to me and poor quality of education. This doesn’t seem to be a problem across most of Europe. More education is always good. Now it doesn’t need to come at a cost of 30k/year - that’s a different topic IMO. Given the US outspends almost every other nation across various metrics on a per capita basis and yet underperforms severely leads me to believe we have a mismanagement problem here above everything else.

Unfortunately a degree will get you a job over someone who doesn’t have one - that’s just reality. That leads to young kids going immediately into debt as adults to pay for the best school possible. People will continue to pursue the avenue that gives the best opportunities, so this problem will persist.